Discussion: LCD/LED/OLED 4k 8K UHD HDR TV Tech

[Premchand1976]

so I'm considering a new tv, I presently have a 46 inch Toshiba from BestBuy but kinda wanna upgrade

I know 4k is the latest and cleanest pic quality BUT my question is :

1. Does this quality apply through cable tv OR only when viewing movies via DVD/Blu-ray player ?

I have the TV and blu ray combo and the quality is BEST at present.....just kinda treating myself to A new one.

I'm considering a 60-80 inch TV and want some opinions regarding the picture view on same. I know some TV's kinda stretch the pics on both ends and it looks like the characters are FAT and blurred.

ANy ideas and reviews on buying a good size without jepoardising quality and maximizing the true 4k ultra quality ?

I also saw some TV's with the capability of 4k ultra showing ( pricesmart and online )

Thanks

[A172]

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wais d best tv u cud get for around 7k ordering it yurself online??

[neexis]

so I'm considering a new tv, I presently have a 46 inch Toshiba from BestBuy but kinda wanna upgrade

I know 4k is the latest and cleanest pic quality BUT my question is :

1. Does this quality apply through cable tv OR only when viewing movies via DVD/Blu-ray player ?

I have the TV and blu ray combo and the quality is BEST at present.....just kinda treating myself to A new one.

I'm considering a 60-80 inch TV and want some opinions regarding the picture view on same. I know some TV's kinda stretch the pics on both ends and it looks like the characters are FAT and blurred.

ANy ideas and reviews on buying a good size without jepoardising quality and maximizing the true 4k ultra quality ?

I also saw some TV's with the capability of 4k ultra showing ( pricesmart and online )

Thanks

Only 4k content will be able to take advantage of the full resolution. This is limited right now as there are few options available. Netflix is supposed to offer 4k streams (possibly at an additional charge).

Regular cable TV through the standard cable box (coax connector) broadcasts in 480P. This picture will be stretched out. You will need an HD box for HD cable, although this maxes out at 1080p.

HD video on the TV will usually be done via HDMI connectors.

For most current HD video (720p, 1080p), the TV or video device usually attempts to upscale it to compensate for the lower resolutions. While the picture should look clear, it won't be as sharp or detailed as 4K video. I imagine SD video from your regular cable box will look like crap.

4K is pretty impressive with the store demo videos, but probably doesn't make much sense right now esp in Trinidad.

For comparison:


http://www.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/

[stev]

well u wanna upgrade from a 46 inch 1080p TV so it wont be much of an 'upgrade' if u just go for a bigger size.

when do u plan on upgrading again? go with the 4K if u want to use it for the next 3 - 5 years. if u buy a new TV every year then consider all your options.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

This has always been a great quick guide and it is updated often
http://www.cnet.com/topics/tvs/best-tvs/

use the menu on the left to drill down to what you are looking for.

4K is becoming more main stream and if you plan to keep your TV for the next 3-5 years then 4K is definitely a great option at those larger sizes, esp that 70" and 80" you are talking about there.

Note that most TV's labelled 4K are actually Ultra HD 3840 X 2160. While real 4K is actually 4096 x 2160. The new iMac with Retina display is 5K at 5120 X 2880 pixels.

Do you really need 4K? It makes great sense on the computer's 27" screen because you sit about 2 feet away and use it to do a lot of reading or graphics. But sitting 8 to 10 feet away from the screen it will be almost unnoticeable at smaller screen sizes.

A lot of movies today are filmed in 4K and higher, but are reduced to 2K (1080p) when put on bluray. IMAX is usually 6K but 70mm IMAX is actually 18K!!! But that IMAX screen is as high as a 3 storey building!

4K is actually getting popular faster than HD (720p/1080p) did. Youtube and Netflix already stream movies in 4K. Consumer cameras already shoot in 4K and you can get a 4K TV in Pricesmart.
4K bluray movies are set to launch in 2015 and will look even better than 4K on Netflix.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theat ... streaming/

I think 4K is more important than 3D for home use.

Keep in mind though: "GIGO" - garbage in, garbage out.
If you have a crappy TV signal, poor quality movie or source then it will look bad regardless of what you looking at it on. In fact the higher the resolution of your TV and the larger your TV is, the worse it will look.
If you have great quality content, HD or 4K streaming or bluray then the higher the resolution the better it will look.

It makes no sense buying a 4K TV to watch SD cable or some pirated cam movie you bought on Indepence Sq for $15. It makes a lot of sense however to buy a 4K TV to watch good quality 2K and 4K content.

[gastly369]

It makes no sense buying a 4K TV to watch SD cable or some pirated cam movie you bought on Indepence Sq for $15. It makes a lot of sense however to buy a 4K TV to watch good quality 2K and 4K content.

/thread

[Premchand1976]

Thanks for the info all.

I may opt.for a bigger screen and 240 refresh rate for now.

Whenever our cable is upgraded to 1080p or anything better. ....compared to the present 480i. ....I will revisit the 4th purchase idea.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Thanks for the info all.

I may opt.for a bigger screen and 240 refresh rate for now.

Whenever our cable is upgraded to 1080p or anything better. ....compared to the present 480i. ....I will revisit the 4th purchase idea.

Why 240Hz? you plan to play games on the TV? Or do you mostly look at sports?

Flow currently offers an HD box and most internet streaming services like Netflix connected to your TV are in HD 1080p and some are already in 4K.

[fouljuice]

http://www.rtings.com/info/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs

[UML]

Coincidentally I looking for a tv as well and came across this

4K - The vast majority of TVs have a Full HD resolution (don't accept fewer than 1920x1080 pixels), but the newest models have so-called 4K resolution, which offers 4x the detail of Full HD. These are expensive and there isn't much 4K content. It's also risky buying a 4K TV as it's early days and standards aren't yet finalised. You don't want to be stuck with a BetaMax or a HD DVD in a world of VHS and Blu-rays.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/test-centre/ ... f-2014-uk/

[Premchand1976]

ok. So best best at this time would be bigger screen with a HD Box and a kick arse surround sound system ?

Forget about 4k and 240hz refresh and all that. Get a smart tv OR get the dvd player upscaler ?

Another thing, I saw the upscaler dvd players online and at pricesmart. I have a Toshiba that says something about a BD Disk but I cant find mine in box ? Can any other brand BD disk be used to do the upscale or must I get one from BestBuy ( Toshiba ) ?

[Manu Invisibli Ltd.]

Ways it always amazes me how tuners go above and beyond to help each other out with advice....can anyone give sum advice on the best TV to order for around 5,000.00 to be used primarily for cable, movies and ps4

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Coincidentally I looking for a tv as well and came across this

4K - The vast majority of TVs have a Full HD resolution (don't accept fewer than 1920x1080 pixels), but the newest models have so-called 4K resolution, which offers 4x the detail of Full HD. These are expensive and there isn't much 4K content. It's also risky buying a 4K TV as it's early days and standards aren't yet finalised. You don't want to be stuck with a BetaMax or a HD DVD in a world of VHS and Blu-rays.
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/test-centre/ ... f-2014-uk/

what standards?

its not really a format war like Betamax / VHS or Bluray vs HD DVD.

Note that most TV's labelled 4K are actually labelled Ultra HD 3840 X 2160. While real 4K is actually 4096 x 2160. The new iMac with Retina display is 5K at 5120 X 2880 pixels.

Some HD TVs are 720p, some are 1080p, some are 60hz some are 120hz, some are 4:3 ratio, some are 16:9 and others are 21:9. That is what has been for sale for almost a decade now.

Why make it an issue? Don't even get into the number of types of 3D and glasses.

If you waiting on a standard you will never buy a tv lol

It is hardly early days for 4K

[~Vēġó~]

good info...

[shaneelal]

If you're set on getting a 4k tv, and one day plan to stream 4k content to the tv, try to get one which supports HEVC.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

ok. So best best at this time would be bigger screen with a HD Box and a kick arse surround sound system ?

Forget about 4k and 240hz refresh and all that. Get a smart tv OR get the dvd player upscaler ?

Another thing, I saw the upscaler dvd players online and at pricesmart. I have a Toshiba that says something about a BD Disk but I cant find mine in box ? Can any other brand BD disk be used to do the upscale or must I get one from BestBuy ( Toshiba ) ?

why do you want a DVD upscaler though? You have a lot of DVDs that you still watch?

BD is bluray.
Bluray is HD and DVD is SD (standard definition)

[Premchand1976]

The upscaler allows you to download Internet apps on your regular 1080p HD TV.

Example, the player I have came with Internet port and SD slot etc etc ( and this was purchased a few years aback )

I checked the manual and the BD disk together with the Internet connection ( cable ) allows online streaming and few apps ( Netflix for sure )

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The upscaler allows you to download Internet apps on your regular 1080p HD TV.

Example, the player I have came with Internet port and SD slot etc etc ( and this was purchased a few years aback )

I checked the manual and the BD disk together with the Internet connection ( cable ) allows online streaming and few apps ( Netflix for sure )

what is the name of this device? Brand and model name.

[Premchand1976]

Duane. Price smart has it. It's a DVD player with the upscale feature. Search it on best buy.

I know someone that has a regular HDTV and bought this and is able to Netflix Facebook etc

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Duane. Price smart has it. It's a DVD player with the upscale feature. Search it on best buy.

I know someone that has a regular HDTV and bought this and is able to Netflix Facebook etc

ok what I asked before is: Do you have a large DVD collection?

[RBphoto]

CRT or a large arse DLP is the real flick. LED> LCD. Still rocking my Sharp 27" CRT bought in 2003 no issues. Lack of HDMI port is a beyotch tho. Don't see why anyone needs larger than 32" for most applications but to each his own. Personally, a great upgrade to an entertainment system is to upgrade the sound. Get a good player that can support a good set of speakers and all them fancy 3D sound modes that these new Blu Ray discs can support now.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

CRT or a large arse DLP is the real flick. LED> LCD. Still rocking my Sharp 27" CRT bought in 2003 no issues. Lack of HDMI port is a beyotch tho. Don't see why anyone needs larger than 32" for most applications but to each his own. Personally, a great upgrade to an entertainment system is to upgrade the sound. Get a good player that can support a good set of speakers and all them fancy 3D sound modes that these new Blu Ray discs can support now.

you have issues yes. How that film camera treating you?

[K74T]

Aye is flim not film, flim!!!

*sips milo from enamel cup*

[RBphoto]

CRT or a large arse DLP is the real flick. LED> LCD. Still rocking my Sharp 27" CRT bought in 2003 no issues. Lack of HDMI port is a beyotch tho. Don't see why anyone needs larger than 32" for most applications but to each his own. Personally, a great upgrade to an entertainment system is to upgrade the sound. Get a good player that can support a good set of speakers and all them fancy 3D sound modes that these new Blu Ray discs can support now.

you have issues yes. How that film camera treating you?

What do you disagree with? LED>LCD?


Off topic but only because you asked:
35mm got too expensive for me to waste my time with it and I get close enough results with my D90 (though nothing can replace the film "Look") or even my iPhone. I only shoot medium format film now as the quality justifies the cost for processing, though I have to admit I am still on that learning curve to get the best out of my Mamiya C220.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

CRT or a large arse DLP is the real flick. LED> LCD. Still rocking my Sharp 27" CRT bought in 2003 no issues. Lack of HDMI port is a beyotch tho. Don't see why anyone needs larger than 32" for most applications but to each his own. Personally, a great upgrade to an entertainment system is to upgrade the sound. Get a good player that can support a good set of speakers and all them fancy 3D sound modes that these new Blu Ray discs can support now.

you have issues yes. How that film camera treating you?

What do you disagree with? LED>LCD?

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[sMASH]

A guy sent me a link that LG is producing an 8k screen.

For the reasons duane posted, I replied that 8k is overkill that the quality change from 4k would be imperceptible with smaller sized screens.

Imo 4k would be the tapering out of he resolutions because for anythig to make a difference past 4k like the 6k or 8k going to be so big that there would not be a large market.

Me, I holding out till 4k monitors get a lil more main stream. But I am redoing the 7.1 in the mean time cause the audio makes a big impact...

*cough* Dayton audio 18" ultimax *cough*

*two of them*

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ good ideas IMO

[scotty_buttons]

Some good points here. IMO OP, makes no sense 'upgrading' to a bigger 1080p. Although 4K TV prices are at an all time low now, wait a bit longer till 4K content is more mainstream (which is probably less than a year from now) and you can get a lot more for a lot less and spend the extra on a proper audio setup. A 4K OLED TV would be sublime though.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I have a Samsung 58" 1080p plasma since 2009. At the time it was the flagship model and got rave reviews on cnet and HD Nation etc for picture quality and black levels. It was actually compared then to a Pioneer Elite Kuro, the king of plasmas, but at 1/3 the price.

5 years later of great movie watching I'm feeling it's time for an upgrade. honestly I think I rather go bigger, like 70", rather than 3D or even 4K.

I know going 4K is future proofing the TV and ensuring it keeps up with the new 4K line of bluray movies and content coming in 2015 and 2016, but somehow I think I rather more screen real-estate rather than resolution.

I honestly couldnt be bothered with 3D unless it's at the cinema.
I also couldn't be bothered with smart TV's either. A Roku 3 is better than any smart TV and it works with any HDTV.
But 4K is a real issue with real pluses.

Maybe it's the price of 4K now. Most 4K sets with the picture quality and black levels that I want are VERY expensive. The affordable 4K panels aren't so hot in the picture quality area.
Samsung 4K 75" is US$5000
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN65HU855 ... 00ID2HJJM/

[Premchand1976]

Temptation is - a sharp aquos 70 inch, smart, led, 240hz refresh rate 4 color, dual core for 1500US. .......