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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Country_Bookie » March 18th, 2014, 2:07 pm

Coincidence that Lost had a 10 year reunion on Sunday night? 10 years since the pilot episode aired.


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Postby Country_Bookie » March 18th, 2014, 4:15 pm

Most plausible explanation thus far:

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.

We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.

The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

Take a look at this airport on Google Earth. The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.

For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.

There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)

What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.


Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.

We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilot’s point of view, was entirely normal. “Good night” is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The “good night” also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress. A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong. Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option. Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.

But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.

Evidently the ACARS went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.

As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.

But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesn’t make any good sense to me.

Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received until fuel exhaustion.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible.The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.

There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.

Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.

Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed, I believe, in Columbus, Ohio in the 1980s. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually, but lost 30-odd souls. The 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. Two plus two equals four. For me, that is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didn’t have the time.

Chris Goodfellow has 20 years experience as a Canadian Class-1 instrumented-rated pilot for multi-engine planes. His theory on what happened to MH370 first appeared on Google+. We’ve copyedited it with his permission.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby pete » March 18th, 2014, 4:43 pm

Why no pings from the black box then? That burned up in the fire too?

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » March 18th, 2014, 5:28 pm

reports saying that police found this on mazan beach..idk :?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Ted_v2 » March 18th, 2014, 6:17 pm

Drugs plane crashed. Noting to see there.

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Postby spirited721 » March 18th, 2014, 6:19 pm

Who have the drugs?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby chippy » March 18th, 2014, 6:25 pm

Rocket ship debris found in Manzanilla
...most likely from satellite launched in South America
By Susan Mohammed susan.mohammed@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Mar 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM ECT

Story Updated: Mar 18, 2014 at 5:40 PM ECT
PART of a rocket was found on a beach in Manzanilla yesterday.
The object was taken away for examination by the Trinidad and Tobago Civil Aviation Authority.
Police were informed of the sighting of an object at around 6 p.m. on Monday by a bather at a beach along the Manzanilla/Mayaro Road.

Senior Superintendent Othneil Williams and ASP Sankar led a party of police officers to the scene at 67 1/2 kilometre mark of Manzanilla Mayaro Road in the vicinity if Cocal.

Police said that it was too dark to search so they cordoned off the area, and returned today to find that the object had washed ashore.
Last May, debris from a rocket or satellite was discovered on a beach near Morne Diablo.
The debris likely came from a spacecraft that lifted off in French Guiana on the east coast of South America, said Director General of the Trinidad and Tobago Civil Aviation Authority Ramesh Lutchmedial.
Lutchmedial had said then that rockets from the French-based firm Arianespace are launched in French Guiana and stages of rockets would jettison into the ocean and sometimes wash ashore. He said that the debris was one of the stages that the aircraft goes through, and it was not harmful to the public.
The last launch of a rocket from French Guiana was February 6.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby streetbeastINC. » March 18th, 2014, 6:29 pm

I have been finding rocket parts in manzan for a while now

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » March 18th, 2014, 6:31 pm

ohh well..answers received

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Postby spirited721 » March 18th, 2014, 6:42 pm

Sue the owners for endangering we life and tourism. For littering the beach.

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Postby spirited721 » March 18th, 2014, 7:02 pm

Any more info on Melissa?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby shogun » March 18th, 2014, 7:09 pm

spirited721 wrote:Any more info on Melissa?


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Postby Midnight_Demon » March 18th, 2014, 7:12 pm

Had a feeling that woulda been the first response lol

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby bluefete » March 18th, 2014, 8:08 pm

pete wrote:Why no pings from the black box then? That burned up in the fire too?


Very good info from "Wired". If the plane is at the bottom of the very deep Indian Ocean, then it would be very difficult to receive any pings from the black boxes. Especially if searchers are no where close to it.

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Postby K74T » March 18th, 2014, 8:11 pm

Moar naked Melissa plz.

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Postby bluefete » March 18th, 2014, 8:42 pm

Photochop? or THE plane? Or another plane?

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The satellite image from Tomnod, the online map site used by millions of netizens in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, shows a passenger plane over a jungle

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby TriP » March 18th, 2014, 9:55 pm

The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is a horrible puzzler. Breaking down the knowns, the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns.

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Postby toyolink » March 18th, 2014, 10:06 pm

After so many decades,I must admit that never enjoyed flying because of total lack of control and sense of too many unknowns.
This incident creates so many questions about flight tracking and security unanswered.
Hope the souls onboard RIP or whatever is appropriate.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby shotta 20 » March 18th, 2014, 10:14 pm

That pic looks fake. There's no trail of broken trees, clearing etc..that shows a plane landing. It looks as if the plane just dropped out of the sky and landed there in that pic.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby shogun » March 18th, 2014, 10:46 pm

In one piece too...

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Postby streetbeastINC. » March 18th, 2014, 10:52 pm

Its in flight

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby shogun » March 18th, 2014, 11:24 pm

Yeah, looks like...

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Postby Master of Disaster » March 18th, 2014, 11:52 pm

Some how I feel the airspace they flew over (where they usually loose contact) must have known something about what happen , can't help but feel someone is covering up a story here , unless the plane was full of magicians , someone did something bad I feel

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby wickedbreed » March 19th, 2014, 7:45 am

was chris angel aboard?

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Postby dougla_boy » March 19th, 2014, 8:56 am

bluefete wrote:Photochop? or THE plane? Or another plane?

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The satellite image from Tomnod, the online map site used by millions of netizens in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, shows a passenger plane over a jungle

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby copper_shot » March 19th, 2014, 8:58 am

streetbeastINC. wrote:I have been finding rocket parts in manzan for a while now


viewtopic.php?f=4&t=365873&hilit=plane&start=30

yup and i saw a big piece in mayaro once

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Coppershot » March 19th, 2014, 11:53 pm

Australia govt saying they got satellite imagery related to large objects in south indian ocean
No confirmation as yet...
check cnn now
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

"New and credible information has come to light in relation to the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean," Abbott said in the the Australian House of Representatives in Canberra. "The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search.

"Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified," he said. "I can inform the House that a Royal Australian Air Force Orion has been diverted to attempt to locate the objects."

Three other planes will carry out a "more intensive follow-up search," he said.

Australian search teams have been at the forefront of the hunt for the missing plane in the remote southern Indian Ocean.

The announcement from Abbott raises hopes of finding parts of the plane after a search that is now in its 13th day. Previous reports of debris found in the sea have not turned out to be related

But those reports came before the search area was massively expanded into two large arcs, one that heads north into Asia, the other south into the Indian Ocean.

Other pieces of information related to the investigation into the plane's disappearance had emerged Wednesday.

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Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » March 19th, 2014, 11:58 pm

Way Coppershot beat me to it..

Hol ah link...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-2665 ... w_facebook

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Coppershot » March 20th, 2014, 12:14 am

BBC saying they having a press conference in 15mins.
Also US sent a plane to search the area as well.

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