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Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structures

Postby Trinbagoviews » January 30th, 2014, 5:05 pm

Barbados, St Vincent, St Kitts and Nevis, Belize and Grenada along with other Caribbean countries are the latest victims of top heavy government bureaucracies that have crippled their economies; bringing them to the brink of financial insolvency.

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Although the politically connected intellectuals and media are quick to point fingers at exogenous factors; including the global financial crisis, declines in tourism etc., they neglect to highlight the state's complicity in dragging their nations into national bankruptcy. The reality remains that their economies and populations are too small to sustain the massively bloated government apparatus that is maintained at the expense of the working population.

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[size=85]An election pamphlet from the New Zealand National Party in 1949.


Smaller countries in particular are saddled with the burden of maintaining at a high level a Prime Minister, his personal assistants, special advisers, security, his office, travel expenses and living expenses etc. Similarly numerous members of the political hierarchy including ministers, diplomats, heads of government departments, agencies and corporations are also offered similar perks all at the expense of the meagre taxpayer. These hefty compensation packages and administrative structures are not financially viable in the private sector yet they are cheerfully bestowed in a government setting and form a massive drag on the economy as limited resources are spent unproductively.

To add insult to injury as the state bureaucracy grows and agencies attempt to validate their existence they layer more and more wet blankets of usually useless rules and regulations on the real economy -the private sector. This further slows economic growth and development.

Barbados is a prime example of this with a relatively small population of 227,000 they feature (from a quick on-line search) 30 Members of Parliament, 21 Members of the Senate, 21 Members of Cabinet, 23 Ministries, 198 Departments and 232 Agencies. Consequently government expenditure as a percentage of GDP is 41.3% ranking them 45th highest out of 180 countries. With this disproportionately large number of bureaucrats no wonder they are experiencing severe budgetary deficits and wish to impose austerity on the population.

Even though austerity is the bitter tasting medicine that must be swallowed it should first be placed squarely on the political oligarchs and on the opulent perks and benefits they receive. Similarly, the lucrative contracts handed out to political comrades should also be rescinded. Next steps should be to immediately scale back the size and scope of the many unessential elements of the government apparatus.

Odious Debt

Last but not least, the bajans et al should consider releasing themselves of some or all of the original debt obligations by classifying their national debts as odious or illegitimate debt. A legal theory that holds that the national debt incurred by the state did not serve the best interests of the nation,and should not be enforceable. Such debts are, thus, considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the citizenry.

Though it may sound extreme such an arrangement would limit future government spending while at the same time discourage errant international lenders from enabling reckless spending by prodigal governments. [/size]

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby SMc » January 30th, 2014, 5:06 pm

thanks for the input

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby eliteauto » January 30th, 2014, 5:17 pm

how many Ministries do we have now? Largest Cabinet ever?

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2014, 5:18 pm

Great Caribbean afro leaders.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby ninjabilly » January 30th, 2014, 6:43 pm

And the poor management and rampant corruption is a good example of great indo leadership.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2014, 6:46 pm

ninjabilly wrote:And the poor management and rampant corruption is a good example of great indo leadership.
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Only India has indo leadership

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby ninjabilly » January 30th, 2014, 6:52 pm

Trolling gets you hard doesn't it

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby DFC » January 30th, 2014, 7:15 pm

How many MP's/ Politicians does India have?

India curruption is 99%.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby nemisis » January 30th, 2014, 7:16 pm

^^^ what nonsense you on dan, stop derailing zr derail

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby Ѵ∑ŤЄЃλЙ™ » January 30th, 2014, 7:39 pm

ninjabilly wrote:And the poor management and rampant corruption is a good example of great UNC/PNM leadership/governance.

Fixed!
Since the same can be said for both parties!

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby antlind » January 30th, 2014, 7:43 pm

You know what is frustrating about this forum. Every thread, no matter what it is about, always ends up being an Afro vs Indian thing. This thread is about a serious problem in the Caribbean. Trinidad's government is in the same position and all we can do is post about Indian this and African that. This is why I think I am going back to mobile porn.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2014, 7:50 pm

antlind wrote:You know what is frustrating about this forum. Every thread, no matter what it is about, always ends up being an Afro vs Indian thing. This thread is about a serious problem in the Caribbean. Trinidad's government is in the same position and all we can do is post about Indian this and African that. This is why I think I am going back to mobile porn.

thats better that you breeding

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby ninjabilly » January 30th, 2014, 9:34 pm

I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet?

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby 1UZFE » January 30th, 2014, 9:48 pm

Didnt u make a similar racist remark aswell. So according to your logic u should be banned.
Jus sayin.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby ninjabilly » January 30th, 2014, 10:05 pm

Wasn't meant to be racist, was just trying to out troll a troll. But if banning me equal we both get banned I am all for it.

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 30th, 2014, 10:25 pm

ninjabilly wrote:I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet?

Ban for what? Don't the caribbean have great afro leaders .
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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby bluesteel29 » January 30th, 2014, 11:48 pm

zoom rader wrote:
ninjabilly wrote:I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet?

Ban for what?


promoting racial segregation

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby fouljuice » January 31st, 2014, 1:13 am

antlind wrote:This is why I think I am going back to mobile porn.


You saying that like if it is something bad :oops:

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 31st, 2014, 7:27 am

bluesteel29 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
ninjabilly wrote:I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet?

Ban for what?


promoting racial segregation

please explain where in this chead I promoted racial segregation. Don't the caribbean have great afro leaders?

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby RIPEBREDFRUIT » January 31st, 2014, 7:57 am

zoom rader wrote:Great Caribbean afro leaders.



:roll: yup a great bunch of fooking LOSERS

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby zoom rader » January 31st, 2014, 10:07 am

RIPEBREDFRUIT wrote:
zoom rader wrote:Great Caribbean afro leaders.



:roll: yup a great bunch of fooking LOSERS

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby KM_2NR » January 31st, 2014, 10:13 am

#forever3rdworld!

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby bluesteel29 » January 31st, 2014, 10:54 am

zoom rader wrote:
bluesteel29 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
ninjabilly wrote:I don't know why he hasn't been banned yet?

Ban for what?


promoting racial segregation

please explain where in this chead I promoted racial segregation. Don't the caribbean have great afro leaders?


the ole talk forum is littered with your outta timin rants

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby TriniAutoMart » January 31st, 2014, 11:38 am

Trying to understand this Odious Debt.
Is there something in the law that can peg the debt incurred on a specific "regime" so that if a totally new political entity with new members come into power they are considered debt free?
And the existing political parties (or any of their re-incarnations) have to account for the debt they incurred whenever they return to power?

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Re: Caribbean Countries Reeling From Top Heavy Govt Structur

Postby Trinbagoviews » January 31st, 2014, 12:21 pm

TriniAutoMart wrote:Trying to understand this Odious Debt.
Is there something in the law that can peg the debt incurred on a specific "regime" so that if a totally new political entity with new members come into power they are considered debt free?
And the existing political parties (or any of their re-incarnations) have to account for the debt they incurred whenever they return to power?


The debts would be the personal debts of the Ministers, management, CEOs board members etc .... i.e. the decision makers... the persons who had the fiduciary responsibility....

Definition of 'Odious Debt'

Money borrowed by one country from another country and then misappropriated by national rulers. A nation's debt becomes odious debt when government leaders use borrowed funds in ways that don't benefit or even oppress citizens.

Regimes associated with odious debt in Nicaragua, the Philippines, Haiti, South Africa, Congo, Niger, Croatia and other countries whose rulers have looted national funds for their personal accounts or used the money to restrict liberties and inflict violence on their own citizens. In the European debt crisis of the early 2010s, some critics called Greek's debt odious.

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