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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Red_Man » June 4th, 2013, 9:08 am

^^ :lol:

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby sliderz1 » June 4th, 2013, 12:04 pm

you guys should have seen where that truck fell to and the horror in getting those lifts and cranes there.

All in all i'd have left that bish in the bush. definately not worth recovering scrap metal.
I deleted the pic i took though.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby UML » June 4th, 2013, 12:58 pm

Vigo spaceship wuda pull/fly dat out normel.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 4th, 2013, 1:05 pm

sliderz1 wrote:you guys should have seen where that truck fell to and the horror in getting those lifts and cranes there.

All in all i'd have left that bish in the bush. definately not worth recovering scrap metal.
I deleted the pic i took though.


Exactly, why go through the trouble? When they got the estimate for the job someone should had stepped in and said it was not economically feasible to do it that way. For that price jusamco could've probably built a road to the fire truck to take it out with a normal wrecker :|

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby SmokeyGTi » June 4th, 2013, 1:08 pm

Mr. Red Sleeper wrote:So what happened to Paramount, Industrial Rentals, UPT, Laing,etc.
There was no tendering process and they DO HAVE as capable hoisting equipment.



that's exactly what i was thinking

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby rspann » June 4th, 2013, 1:14 pm

They had to do it fast,Imagine if they leave it too long,somebody coulda thief the battery and tyres.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Conrad » June 4th, 2013, 2:06 pm

devsingh wrote:Not defending anyone here but these are my estimates as a contractor:

25 men x 4 days @ $300 = 300,000
24 hr security for 4 days ($40/hr x 2 men x 24 hr x 4 days) = 5,760
project management fee = 15,000
lighting towers = 15,000
mobilization = 150,000
police presence = 10,000
equipment rentals = 500,000
Insurances = 40,000
Risk factors = 250,000
contingencies = 120,000
Mark up = 500,000

Sub total = 1,786,000
VAT = 267,900
Total = 2,053,900

If however i am the best in the business and the competition is small, i'd really make some money


The very first sum is wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby sliderz1 » June 4th, 2013, 2:13 pm

pete wrote:
sliderz1 wrote:you guys should have seen where that truck fell to and the horror in getting those lifts and cranes there.

All in all i'd have left that bish in the bush. definately not worth recovering scrap metal.
I deleted the pic i took though.


Exactly, why go through the trouble? When they got the estimate for the job someone should had stepped in and said it was not economically feasible to do it that way. For that price jusamco could've probably built a road to the fire truck to take it out with a normal wrecker :|


public servants and government officers know nothing when it comes to feasibility and economic order. even here where i work they dont even use price as a weighted criteria for contract selection.
Government $$$ waste behind poor contract work and scope creep and then procurement causes a fuss when funds are low

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby 8695 » June 4th, 2013, 3:40 pm

Sammy is the 'preferred' contractor regardless of who is in Government. Man know how to "get" work.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby aidan » June 4th, 2013, 6:31 pm

5onDfloor wrote:Moonan moves mountains...Sammy moves tenders


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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby mark2.0 » June 4th, 2013, 7:03 pm

TLK BOUT EAT AH FOOD... Yeah we ready for 1st world status!!! So it was'nt a cliff? Then the army who have all them d6 and d8, not to mention what dey seize from dem quarry, could ah take that out... Cost to tax payers-2 case a beer. On d other hand dem jacka$$e$$$$$ Couda buy 3 more tenders and still have a money to put sign on dat one in d precipice saying "PLEASE DRIVE CAREFULLY OR YOU WILL BE DOWN HERE".

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Monster 101 » June 4th, 2013, 7:06 pm

with that cost they could have used MAMMOET to remove the firetruck.....

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby rspann » June 4th, 2013, 8:17 pm

4 master mechanics@$2000. per day x 5days(overestimated)=$40,000.(to scrap into movable pieces)
10 cepep workers @150 per day ($200 for the wackermen) =$1750 (to clear a path to the unit)
100 pipers (not the whiskey)@$200 per night x1 night $20,000(no lights needed)to move the parts
10 policemen @$400 per night x 1 night $4000(to make sure they don't sell the iron)
Gillian lucky,to make sure the police don't take aything(no cost she will do it for fame)
2 40 ft trailers@$2000 per day $4000 To move out the parts
That only reach $69,750(plus something for the minister),You know how much you save there

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby abbow » June 4th, 2013, 8:37 pm

what happened to the TT Army....dont they have a engineering team or something....?

they could have used that as a exercise for recruits of that particular group and let them scrap it and mount it back up after.......

we are really doomed with this "eat-ah-food" politics yes....

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby brams112 » June 4th, 2013, 9:01 pm

Who ever talk to a tradesman on a job estimate and hear dais small money to do dat but when the job is complete you hear the bill is huge?Wrecker men will know,recovery and wreck is different price according to location,all they had to do is not pay.Who gave out the job is key.One of them ole oilfield truck with an a frame pulling that out like grass.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Habit7 » June 5th, 2013, 12:14 am

Jack gave firetruck deal before approval
CABINET SAID NO TWICE
Published: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Anika Gumbs-Sandiford


Cabinet twice refused to sign off on the whopping $10 million quotation originally submitted for removing the firetruck involved in an accident last November. That original reluctance appears to have been justified, as other wrecking companies yesterday estimated the cost for such a job at $50,000 at most. T&T Guardian learned the recommendation was submitted to the Ministry of National Security on November 22 by former chief fire officer Carl Williams on the basis of a technical assessment.

The water tender from the Arima Fire Station was responding to a report in Blanchisseuse when it ran off the road, plunging over a 300-foot cliff, a T&T Guardian exclusive reported yesterday. On the basis of Williams’s recommendation, the line minister at the time, Jack Warner, took a note to Cabinet for approval. However, some ministers objected to the cost and approval was withheld at two Cabinet meetings.

Ministry officials yesterday told T&T Guardian that Cabinet eventually approved a revised price of $6.8 million for retrieving the truck. The approval, however, was granted in December—some weeks after the job had already been done. Documents obtained by the T&T Guardian yesterday showed the Rosenbauer water tender was bought in 2006 for $2,236,275.35. Contacted yesterday, Williams said: “I am on pre-retirement leave. Please call me back at 4 pm.”

However, later phone calls went directly to his voice mail. A senior government minister said yesterday: “The former minister submitted a note for cover approval. “In the first two instances, approval was not granted because concerns were raised about the price. But because the work was completed, approval was eventually granted. Concerns were raised.”

Permanent Secretary in the National Security Ministry Jennifer Boucaud-Blake, who is in the United Kingdom at present, has distanced herself from any involvement, saying she is not authorised to approve spending over $1 million. Acting Chief Fire Officer Nayar Rampersad, contacted yesterday, said a report was expected to be submitted to current line minister Emmanuel George next week, to determine if it was cost-effective to repair the water tender.

The truck is currently parked at the Chaguanas Fire Station as investigations continue.


Other estimates: $25-$50,000
Owners of other wrecking companies were yesterday shocked at the bill for retrieving the firetruck. The head of the company that retrieved the truck, Ramdath Ramsubir, of Sammy’s Multilift Services Ltd, is insisting that the cost is “justified.” Sammy’s Multilift Services is a subsidiary of Junior Sammy Contractors.

The T&T Guardian was referred to two companies that specialise in removing heavy equipment: Chiney Wrecking Services, owned by Larry Mohan, and Fyzam Garage 24hr Wrecking Service. Both are south-based and have been in business for over 20 years. Yesterday, the owners said they were at a loss as to what would have contributed to such a hefty price.

Mohan scoffed at the $6 million price tag, saying: “It could have cost nowhere near that. “We have been in the wrecking business over 25 years, and did several jobs like that in Maracas,” he said. “That job will cost no more than $50,000, and that is the maximum. “We have equipment to move heavy vehicles like that and I am sure we could have pulled it out. “In no part of the world could it ever happen...The vehicle is not even valued at that price.

“For a crane to pick it up means that it was not in such a bad area. If it was in a dangerous place, a crane could not even reach there. Two wreckers could have pulled out the water tender.” Fyzam Ali said based on his calculations, he would have charged a mere $25,000 for the job. Ali, the owner of Fyzam Garage, said after he read the report in yesterday’s T&T Guardian, he tried to calculate an estimated cost and was unable to arrive at the figure of $6.5 million.

“The most I will say is $25,000,” Ali said. Told that the water tender had plunged down 300 feet over a precipice and three cranes were used to retrieve it, Ali replied: “It was to make the work look big. “They could have bought a new water tender and leave that one there,” he said. “I am shocked. That is too much money. I have been in the business for 30 years and no job has ever cost $6 million—not even close. "I think somebody is mad.”


Breakdown of the $10 million bill:
In the recommendation he submitted to Warner, Williams gave a breakdown of the proposed $10 million bill. It listed:
Mobilisation and demobilisation fee
Excavators
Heavy-haul extended trailer-track truck
Lighting towers
Rigging equipment
Crane mats
Safety officers
Project managers
Riggers
Hygienic facilities

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2013-06- ... l-approval

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby 5onDfloor » June 5th, 2013, 7:10 am

i think the other competitors are grossly under quoting what that job would of costed. i believe anything from $150k - $200k would be a realistic figure.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 5th, 2013, 7:11 am

Let Jack pay the bill yes.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby RIPEBREDFRUIT » June 5th, 2013, 7:20 am

pete wrote:Let Jack pay the bill yes.

Agreed,

Owner of that company needs to be Audited, check all ties and bank accounts.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby rfari » June 5th, 2013, 7:28 am

Company not at fault. Whoever approved it is

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby TeamH2O » June 5th, 2013, 7:30 am

so why they eh buy a new firetrucking firetruck and done instead of taking out that ole firetrucking ting

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby sliderz1 » June 5th, 2013, 7:31 am

correct on the under quote.

but negotiations for a service that was already performed?
lolwut?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby pete » June 5th, 2013, 7:39 am

Doing work with no purchase order?

Gov't should've said "thanks guys for the help out".

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Rooki3 » June 5th, 2013, 7:46 am

whats the problem here? seriously? price is justified

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Habit7 » June 5th, 2013, 7:52 am

Image

I remember when a minister was hounded for a $2,000,000 flag that we still have today.

I wonder if we will get an apology for this?

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby SR » June 5th, 2013, 7:54 am

Lol at the quotes from wrecking service companies that dont have the proper equipment......man saying 2 wrecker coulda pull that out.... dem feel is jes to drag out no matter how much damage they do

While i dont doubt the professionalism by the company that is still a hefty sum

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby Rooki3 » June 5th, 2013, 7:55 am

any of you guys own heavy equipment of that nature? any of you guys know the associated cost in repairing & maintaining such? any of you guys know what was man power cost & their over time, meals etc?

such procurement experts in here

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby sliderz1 » June 5th, 2013, 7:56 am

pete wrote:Doing work with no purchase order?

Gov't should've said "thanks guys for the help out".


it does occur in ''high priority'' situations. Price is exorbitant.
Consider paying $25k for washing a 100 x 60 ft car park. :| . I had to approve, else things would have gotten hot and sweaty

Money is wasted in government organizations.

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Re: Fire Candle costing more than the funeral?

Postby krazed » June 5th, 2013, 7:59 am

bwtfmc dem fmc doin with we fmc tax $ boi... dat is high class mf...ing sheit.. to the highest mf..ing degree

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