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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby redmanjp » June 28th, 2013, 12:15 pm

I guess if planet x existed it would of picked this up years ago

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby stev » June 28th, 2013, 12:25 pm

redmanjp wrote:I guess if planet x existed it would of picked this up years ago


not likely....Voyager 1 and 2 never headed in the direction of where Planet X was said to be.



8 planets in ou solar system to date and NASA is still not sure if there are more....it is possible that some may have very large orbits and we mistake them for large Kuiper Belt objects....as we did with Pluto.

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby xtech » September 12th, 2013, 4:42 pm

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To Infinity and Beyond: NASA Confirms Voyager 1 is Out of Solar System

You Are Here, Voyager: The artist's concept puts huge solar system distances in perspective. The scale bar is measured in astronomical units (AU), with each set distance beyond 1 AU representing 10 times the previous distance. Each AU is equal to the distance from the sun to the Earth. It took from 1977 to 2013 for Voyager 1 to reach the edge of interstellar space.

NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft officially is the first human-made object to venture into interstellar space. The 36-year-old probe is about 12 billion miles (19 billion km) from our sun. New and unexpected data indicate Voyager 1 has been traveling for about one year through plasma, or ionized gas, present in the space between stars.

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby redmanjp » September 12th, 2013, 4:57 pm

^yay! :D

although to be more accurate, it crossed the heliosphere- to cross the solar system would take another 30000 yrs :(

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/tech/innovation/voyager-solar-system/

(CNN) -- At the edge of the heliosphere, you wouldn't know by looking whether you left the cradle of humanity behind and floated out into interstellar space. You would just see unfathomably empty space, no matter which side of the invisible line you were on.

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But scientists now have strong evidence that NASA's Voyager 1 probe has crossed this important border, making history as the first human-made object to leave the heliosphere, the magnetic boundary separating the solar system's sun, planets and solar wind from the rest of the galaxy.

"In leaving the heliosphere and setting sail on the cosmic seas between the stars, Voyager has joined other historic journeys of exploration: The first circumnavigation of the Earth, the first steps on the Moon," said Ed Stone, chief scientist on the Voyager mission. "That's the kind of event this is, as we leave behind our solar bubble."

A new study in the journal Science suggests that the probe entered the interstellar medium around August 25, 2012. You may have heard other reports that Voyager 1 has made the historic crossing before, but Thursday was the first time NASA announced it.

The twin spacecraft Voyager 1 and 2 were launched in 1977, 16 days apart. As of Thursday, according to NASA's real-time odometer, Voyager 1 is 18.8 billion kilometers (11.7 billion miles) from Earth. Its sibling, Voyager 2, is 15.3 billion (9.5 billion) kilometers from our planet.

Technically, if you include the distant comets that orbit the sun, then Voyager 1 has not left "the solar system," Stone said. For that, we'll have to wait another 30,000 years.

Another milestone for long after we're gone: The probe will fly near a star in about 40,000 years, Stone said.

How do we know?

Voyager, currently traveling at more than 38,000 miles per hour, never sent a postcard saying "Greetings from interstellar space!" So whether it has made the historic crossing or not is a matter of controversy.

"The spacecraft itself really doesn't know," Stone said. "It's only instruments that can tell us whether we're inside or outside."

Further complicating matters, the device aboard Voyager 1 that measures plasma -- a state of matter with charged particles -- broke in 1980.

To get around that, scientists detected waves in the plasma around the spacecraft and used that information to calculate density. Vibrations in the plasma came from a large coronal mass ejection from the sun in 2012, resulting in what Stone called a "solar wind tsunami." These vibrations reached the area around Voyager this spring.

Measurements taken between April 9 and May 22 of this year show that Voyager 1 was, at that time, located in an area with an electron density of about 0.08 per cubic centimeter.
This illustration shows NASA\'s Voyager 1 spacecraft entering the space between stars.
This illustration shows NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft entering the space between stars.

In the interstellar medium, the density of electrons is thought to be between 0.05 and 0.22 per cubic centimeter. The particles of interstellar plasma were created by the explosions of giant stars, and carry the magnetic field of the galaxy, scientists said.

Last year, between October 23 and November 27, researchers calculate that Voyager 1 was in an area with an electron density of 0.06 per cubic centimeter. That's still within the interstellar space range, and it means that over time the spacecraft passed through plasma with increasing electron density.

The study suggests that the plasma density is about 30 times higher in the interstellar medium than in the heliosphere, which is close to what scientists thought based on other kinds of measurements. The boundary is called the heliopause.

Voyager mission timeline:

When did it happen?

Scientists have been using several kinds of measurements to figure out if and when Voyager 1 had reached the interstellar medium.

Evidence from particle data had already pointed toward the conclusion that the probe succeeded. In late July and early August of 2012, scientists saw dips in the concentration of particles made in the solar system, and peaks in particles made outside.

"If you just looked at that data, you'd think it's pretty clear that we've actually crossed a boundary. We're no longer in the place where the solar system particles are being made, and we're actually out in the interstellar medium," said Marc Swisdak, associate research scientist in the Institute for Research in Electronics and Applied Physics at the University of Maryland. Swisdak was not involved in the new study, but has worked with Voyager data.

Magnetic field measurements suggested otherwise. Researchers had expected to see stark changes in magnetic field direction when the probe crossed out of the heliosphere, but that wasn't supported by measurements from the probe.

Swisdak and colleagues published a modeling study suggesting that the particle data is more relevant, and that the magnetic field might not change as much as people thought. They proposed a crossing-over date of July 27 -- about a month sooner than the new study.

The specific date will likely be debated for some time, Swisdak said. One possible explanation is that if the heliosphere is analogous to an air-conditioned room, Voyager stepped through the doorway into a hot room on July 27. For a month it was in a metaphorical room with a mixture of hot and cold air, and finally entered the truly hot part on August 25.

Puzzles still surround the magnetic field at the edge of the heliosphere, Stone said, and "We're going to be prepared to have more surprises."

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What else is out there?

Voyager 1 has only 68 KB of memory on board -- far less than a smartphone, said Suzanne Dodd, Voyager project manager. Scientists communicate with the spacecraft every day.

"It's the little spacecraft that could," she said in a NASA press conference.

The probe now has a totally new mission, Stone said.

"We're now on the first mission to explore interstellar space," he said. "We will now look and learn in detail how the wind which is outside, that came from these other stars, is deflected around the heliosphere."

Wind -- made of particles -- from these other stars has to go around the heliosphere the way a water in a stream flows around a rock, Stone said. Scientists are interested in learning more about the interaction between our solar wind and wind from other stars.

Natural radioactive decay provides heat that generates enough electricity to help Voyager 1 communicate with Earth. The first science instrument will be turned off in 2020, and the last one will be shut down in 2025, Stone said.

Both Voyager probes carry time capsules known as "the golden record," a 12-inch, gold-plated copper disc with images and sounds so that extraterrestrials could learn about us. Let's hope they can build appropriate record players.

Voyager 2 will likely leave the heliosphere in about three to four years, Stone said.

Its plasma instrument is still working, Stone said, so scientists can directly measure the stellar wind's density, speed and temperature. That also means that when it crosses out of the heliosphere, Voyager 2 will send a clearer signal.

At that time, it will join its twin in the vast nothingness between stars that used to be beyond our reach.

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby stev » September 15th, 2013, 10:52 am

ay yess....the voyagers. estimated time for voyager 1 to stop transmitting signals is 2020 or 2025?

not sure if posted before, but our reach to the stars is not governed by the voyagers, but by our radio transmissions. since we began transmitting radio signals long ago, here is how far they reached (estimate):

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby xtech » September 15th, 2013, 11:02 am

^^^Really??


Earth’s Expanding Radio Bubble

The earth has an expanding ‘bubble’ of man-made radio signals expanding outward at the speed of light. The first of these early radio transmissions were short range experiments that used simple clicks and interrupts to show transmission of information in the 1890s. In 1900, Reginald Fessenden made the first — though incredibly weak — voice transmission over the airwaves. The next year saw a step up in power as Guglielmo Marconi made the first ever transatlantic radio broadcast.

This means that at 110 light-years away from earth — the edge of a radio ‘sphere’ which contains many star systems — our very first radio broadcasts are beginning to arrive. At 74 light-years away, television signals are being introduced. Star systems at a distance of 50 light-years are now entering the ‘Twilight Zone’.
Will Any Extraterrestrial Life Within That Radio Sphere Detect Us?

While it’s interesting to imagine how far our radio signals have traveled into space, it’s extremely unlikely that an alien will be able to catch the "latest" episode of StarTrek. This is thanks to the inverse square law. In Layman’s term, it’s a form of signal degradation.

As radio signals leave earth, they propagate out in a wave form. Just like dropping a stone in a lake, the waves diffuse or “spread out” over distance thanks to the exponentially larger area they must encompass.

Another way to think of it, is that the strength of a radio signal will be only 1/4 as great once you are twice the distance from the source. At ten times the distance, the strength of the signal would only be one hundredth as great.

Because of this inverse square law, all of our radio signals become indistinguishable from background noise at around a few light-years from earth. For a civilization only a couple hundred light-years away, trying to listen to our broadcasts would be like trying to detect the small ripple from a pebble dropped in the pacific ocean off the coast of California – from Japan.

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby stev » September 15th, 2013, 11:06 am

hey! i never said it would be detectable. :P

was just pointing out that every thing mankind ever did is just a tiny splat. lol

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby MG Man » September 16th, 2013, 9:37 am

you're a tiny splat

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby mamoo_pagal » September 16th, 2013, 10:05 am

^^^we all were tiny splats, thank God for evolution!

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby MG Man » September 16th, 2013, 10:48 am

By Jaga! You are right!

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby stev » January 21st, 2020, 4:33 am

bump for those who are interested...

https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/

20:36:51 light time....since 1977

estimated time to next star = :lol: 40,000 years...by that time it will most likely be an unrecognizable hunk of metal serving no purpose at all :cry:

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby redmanjp » January 21st, 2020, 7:52 pm

Imagine a drone 1000 times cheaper and also smaller might have the same level of technology on Voyager

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » Today, 12:04 am

Voyager 1 sending usable data again

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby VexXx Dogg » Today, 10:02 am

Tuner needs a like button because I was about to smash the sheit outta it for that update.

Voyager is one of the most amazing things we ever did as a species.

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby maj. tom » Today, 10:19 am

This is what Geordi does doing when he bawling during a Borg attack "Re-routing axillary power!"

Flight controllers traced the blank communication to a bad computer chip and rearranged the spacecraft's coding to work around the trouble.
https://www.cp24.com/lifestyle/nasa-hears-from-voyager-1-the-most-distant-spacecraft-from-earth-after-months-of-quiet-1.6858852?

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Re: NASA's Voyager 1 poised to cross into interstellar space

Postby xtech » Today, 3:27 pm

maj. tom wrote:This is what Geordi does doing when he bawling during a Borg attack "Re-routing axillary power!"

Flight controllers traced the blank communication to a bad computer chip and rearranged the spacecraft's coding to work around the trouble.
https://www.cp24.com/lifestyle/nasa-hears-from-voyager-1-the-most-distant-spacecraft-from-earth-after-months-of-quiet-1.6858852?


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