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Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:When Caroline Seepersad Bachan said she was going to Cabinet to deal with all of these issues.....what happened?
Nothing, but a fairer comparison is what happened after JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels inserted themselves into the "negotiations" which is half of Pt. Lisas is now down, $300M has been spent on a no gas, 10% plant and the shut down of M4/M5. 7150 MTPD gone just like that, along with Nutrien's ,Yara's plants.
I don't recall these things happening after CSB's grandcharge.
Oh yeah the unitization coming "jess now"
Well she was moved.
Ramnarine came in....nothing done until Poten was engaged and began their gas study.
Despite knowing that there was a problem in 2011..they did not engage the MNCs in order to recover value, avoid these issues or improve the dynamic.
The reccs in general are
Solve the supply problem.
Solve the transfer pricing problem.
Optimize the supply to an equilibrium point between PTL and LNG.
We are in a crappy period no matter what.
Not doing train 1 TAR would have prevented plant closures how?
Please identify how Train 1 impacts the price of gas that NGC suppliers have set.
Be specific
YawnRedman wrote:Any answer to the question?
Or just the same blather?
Morning Zoombindranath.
ent!!!!zoom rader wrote:YawnRedman wrote:Any answer to the question?
Or just the same blather?
Morning Zoombindranath.
Your questions are not relevant
He has to be spoon fed misleading information from the other red government bloggers, then he will get back to youDe Dragon wrote:Notice how Red Colostomy Bag disappears when you present a cogent argument? Then he'll return with some dotish red herring argument.
De Dragon wrote:Notice how Red Colostomy Bag disappears when you present a cogent argument? Then he'll return with some dotish red herring argument.
Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Notice how Red Colostomy Bag disappears when you present a cogent argument? Then he'll return with some dotish red herring argument.
I agree ...when I don't 'disappear' your cogency is lacking.
....
Flow ballzing up on the internet at the office.
@smash.
I would agree with you...except that the decision on where train 1 s gas would have gone would be
BP and Shell s to make.
Not NGC.
And of course they raised the price on their gas.
They would have maxed out 2 3 and 4 and still be increasing prices to NGC for supply to PTL.
Of course there is the minor issues of what are the net back margins on Methanol and Ammonia with current prices where they are.
So if it is that NGC had gas....seems that the product pricing globally would still indicate crappy plant economics, and closure if it was advantageous to the MNC.
As we are now
I know this gobbledegook isnt important to allyuh, but it matters to the people that matter.
Redman wrote:Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.
They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.
demented wrote:Prices are increasing on Ammonia and Methanol:
Ammonia
Methanol
De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.
They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.
If by "they" you mean NGC, then you are wrong again . NGC has contracted amounts that it must supply to companies on the Estate. Enforcement of the contracted amount is pointless, as NGC frequently cites(falsely) force majeures in their curtailments, and involves protracted, and costly maneuverings which most companies seem unwilling to undertake. The only use of the contracted amount is to fend off curtailments by NGC by pointing out how much you are already below the contracted amount, and that they should look elsewhere.
The "negotiations" that JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels had with BP/Shell's top brass should have rectified that issue in your first question, but what did we get? Not only continuing to cede ALL power to BP/Shell, but coughing up $300M to fully fund a TAR, to get gas which mysteriously wasn't available, and threatened said Train 1's future operations.
As much as you worship JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels and every thing LFD RFD PNM, they got outfoxed, outmaneuvered and out classed by PP/Shell.
Redman wrote:De Dragon wrote:Redman wrote:Dragon.
Tell me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.
And excellent control of where and who they sell to.
They also have zero liability for shortfalls into PTL.
If by "they" you mean NGC, then you are wrong again . NGC has contracted amounts that it must supply to companies on the Estate. Enforcement of the contracted amount is pointless, as NGC frequently cites(falsely) force majeures in their curtailments, and involves protracted, and costly maneuverings which most companies seem unwilling to undertake. The only use of the contracted amount is to fend off curtailments by NGC by pointing out how much you are already below the contracted amount, and that they should look elsewhere.
The "negotiations" that JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels had with BP/Shell's top brass should have rectified that issue in your first question, but what did we get? Not only continuing to cede ALL power to BP/Shell, but coughing up $300M to fully fund a TAR, to get gas which mysteriously wasn't available, and threatened said Train 1's future operations.
As much as you worship JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels and every thing LFD RFD PNM, they got outfoxed, outmaneuvered and out classed by PP/Shell.
They meant BP and Shell.They have zero liability in the shortages to PTL.
They also have little or no shareholding.
NGC has been using FM as a way to avoid liability for the shortfalls but it is not a correct application and really not good business.
You have not answered the Q..
Trains 2,3 and 4 s gas supply are not under the control of the NGC.
So negotiation s of supply to NGC would be limited to the quantity that BP and Shell are willing to supply NGC ....which would be after they...(BP and Shell) supply 2,3 and 4.
So again...the question is
Can you please me how does NGC force BP and Shell to sell NGC sufficient gas for PTL and not direct it straight to LNG where they still have 2,3 and 4 under supply contracts and shareholding.???
DreamWeaver wrote:Anybody could confirm if Atlantic Train 1 is back in production and the current estimated mmscf usage per day?
Joshie23 wrote:Yk, it would be interesting to see the points/data surrounding ALNG, NGC, Producers, Point Lisa's, etc., laid out from start to finish (as in where we are now) and possible solutions, without the name-calling, vitriol, mudslinging, etc.
I mean, we're following the points and you guys are saying brilliant stuff, but I just think there would be more credibility to each poster of the facts were laid out without any apparent bias or anything like that.
Engineers et al, surely we're capable of something like that, right? Please?
Musical Doc wrote:DreamWeaver wrote:Anybody could confirm if Atlantic Train 1 is back in production and the current estimated mmscf usage per day?
Plant down until the 16th I was told
Hoss we are now an islands of waiters and store clerks.carluva wrote:Real experts on Trinituner here yes.
Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it
Redman wrote:Joshie23 wrote:Yk, it would be interesting to see the points/data surrounding ALNG, NGC, Producers, Point Lisa's, etc., laid out from start to finish (as in where we are now) and possible solutions, without the name-calling, vitriol, mudslinging, etc.
I mean, we're following the points and you guys are saying brilliant stuff, but I just think there would be more credibility to each poster of the facts were laid out without any apparent bias or anything like that.
Engineers et al, surely we're capable of something like that, right? Please?
Ignore the opinions here.
Take a look at the experts on the global industry reports/ analysis on TnTs current position...Poten Gas Master Plan ...and
Farrell'sPoint of Inflexion.
Both docs are available in full and in condensed form for presentation.
Read those, see what has been published by GORTT, BP and Shell on what has been done over the years.
There are other international reports that cover the industry and make conclusions.
Read the local press
Form your own opinions.
Come back and discuss.
Same thing for Petrotrin, Solomon Report etc.
carluva wrote:Real experts on Trinituner here yes.
Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it
We are left with idiots like eliteauto, pastor p¤rnhabit 7 and Redman.sMASH wrote:carluva wrote:Real experts on Trinituner here yes.
Folks here versed in hot taps, tie ins, plant operations, gas redistribution, root cause analysis, welding, CWI, instrumentation, natural gas value chain, natural gas marketing, commercial/legal, energy contracting and energy governance (well at least seem that way but there's no tangible facts or evidence to confirm or refute the same) but yet, none of these knowledge houses effecting a change. Curious, isn't it
320,000 trinis went leffff foot,,,, rittttte fooot. no amount of education, training, skills, experience can compete with that, bruh.
Redman wrote:White people lies.
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