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zoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
sMASH wrote:If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
After the reform the gas, wonder what the process will be to take the carbon out of the loop after they extract thr hydrogen
OR they can can just run the ammonia process Inefficiently to recover excess hydrogen in the purge gas recovery
After my brief stint in Caroni I spent a good 20 years working in Pt lisas with NGC, Fertrin, Ispat, Tringen and other plants. Leant the most from these plants. They provided good paying jobs and an above agv lifestyle.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
After the reform the gas, wonder what the process will be to take the carbon out of the loop after they extract thr hydrogen
OR they can can just run the ammonia process Inefficiently to recover excess hydrogen in the purge gas recovery
Hydrogen plants typically thrive when the plants they are supposed to supply have no reformers of their own from conception. A reformer is typically 1/4 of the cost of a plant, so if a greenfield plant can avoid this cost, and receive a reliable, cheaper source of hydrogen, then they go that route. No one really cares whether the hydrogen is green or not, cost is, and will always be, the overriding factor.
sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
After the reform the gas, wonder what the process will be to take the carbon out of the loop after they extract thr hydrogen
OR they can can just run the ammonia process Inefficiently to recover excess hydrogen in the purge gas recovery
Hydrogen plants typically thrive when the plants they are supposed to supply have no reformers of their own from conception. A reformer is typically 1/4 of the cost of a plant, so if a greenfield plant can avoid this cost, and receive a reliable, cheaper source of hydrogen, then they go that route. No one really cares whether the hydrogen is green or not, cost is, and will always be, the overriding factor.
but when they reform the methane and extract the h2, what going to go on with the carbon?
a reformer may be the most economical way to extract h2 due to economies of scale, but how green it will be will be determined by the path of the carbon... unless, they plan to send the carbon to the methanol plants to improve their process... and in that case, letting m4 and 5 shut down might not be the best state to let happen.
the cgcl and methanex plants burn methane to generate the extra carbon they need to further the process. they might want to look at installing a purge gas recovery system at methanol plants and just extract the excess h2 from their front ends, and balance by h2 removal, rather co2 addition. u might just suffer with ur steam production, so just increase ur aux boiler capacity.
why i fretting about this is, cause i experienced some 'test projects' with pie in the sky logics used justify them. yeah they got the financiers to put out millions of dollars to go ahead but when i read the process, it didnt make sense and kept thinking that i missing sumting. so said so done, waste of times and monies.
they going to push a project tru, that will not be viable and taint the whole concept for all the people that not familiar but still need to buy into it. like most govt projects.
i just need to know what going on with the carbon. they shouldnt burn methane to produce h2 unless they have a very good use for the carbon.
De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
After the reform the gas, wonder what the process will be to take the carbon out of the loop after they extract thr hydrogen
OR they can can just run the ammonia process Inefficiently to recover excess hydrogen in the purge gas recovery
Hydrogen plants typically thrive when the plants they are supposed to supply have no reformers of their own from conception. A reformer is typically 1/4 of the cost of a plant, so if a greenfield plant can avoid this cost, and receive a reliable, cheaper source of hydrogen, then they go that route. No one really cares whether the hydrogen is green or not, cost is, and will always be, the overriding factor.
but when they reform the methane and extract the h2, what going to go on with the carbon?
a reformer may be the most economical way to extract h2 due to economies of scale, but how green it will be will be determined by the path of the carbon... unless, they plan to send the carbon to the methanol plants to improve their process... and in that case, letting m4 and 5 shut down might not be the best state to let happen.
the cgcl and methanex plants burn methane to generate the extra carbon they need to further the process. they might want to look at installing a purge gas recovery system at methanol plants and just extract the excess h2 from their front ends, and balance by h2 removal, rather co2 addition. u might just suffer with ur steam production, so just increase ur aux boiler capacity.
why i fretting about this is, cause i experienced some 'test projects' with pie in the sky logics used justify them. yeah they got the financiers to put out millions of dollars to go ahead but when i read the process, it didnt make sense and kept thinking that i missing sumting. so said so done, waste of times and monies.
they going to push a project tru, that will not be viable and taint the whole concept for all the people that not familiar but still need to buy into it. like most govt projects.
i just need to know what going on with the carbon. they shouldnt burn methane to produce h2 unless they have a very good use for the carbon.
If the hydrogen project is using electrolysis, then the only byproduct will be Oxygen, and some water.
AFAIK, the IPSL, now Proman methanol plants got their CO2 from PCS, now Nutrien. With the idling of the biggest plants M5 and M4, the CO2 not used by the Urea plants in Nutrien, will be vented to atmosphere thus contributing further to green house gas emissions.
sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:De Dragon wrote:sMASH wrote:If I remember correctly they recently signed a deal for thr trinigen 1 facility to spear head a hydrogen plant.jhonnieblue wrote:Agree with zoom on this, this govt has been negotiating in bad faith to support the sector.
That energy minister has no foresight on where the sector needs to be or even how to support a transition to a green economy and the steps needed to be taken.
Right now we should be investing heavily in green hydrogen and the support facilities for such.
From an energy roadmap prospective there is little hope for this country in the next 5-10 yearszoom rader wrote:Red government killed Pt lisas.
Eric Williams must be a UNC
After the reform the gas, wonder what the process will be to take the carbon out of the loop after they extract thr hydrogen
OR they can can just run the ammonia process Inefficiently to recover excess hydrogen in the purge gas recovery
Hydrogen plants typically thrive when the plants they are supposed to supply have no reformers of their own from conception. A reformer is typically 1/4 of the cost of a plant, so if a greenfield plant can avoid this cost, and receive a reliable, cheaper source of hydrogen, then they go that route. No one really cares whether the hydrogen is green or not, cost is, and will always be, the overriding factor.
but when they reform the methane and extract the h2, what going to go on with the carbon?
a reformer may be the most economical way to extract h2 due to economies of scale, but how green it will be will be determined by the path of the carbon... unless, they plan to send the carbon to the methanol plants to improve their process... and in that case, letting m4 and 5 shut down might not be the best state to let happen.
the cgcl and methanex plants burn methane to generate the extra carbon they need to further the process. they might want to look at installing a purge gas recovery system at methanol plants and just extract the excess h2 from their front ends, and balance by h2 removal, rather co2 addition. u might just suffer with ur steam production, so just increase ur aux boiler capacity.
why i fretting about this is, cause i experienced some 'test projects' with pie in the sky logics used justify them. yeah they got the financiers to put out millions of dollars to go ahead but when i read the process, it didnt make sense and kept thinking that i missing sumting. so said so done, waste of times and monies.
they going to push a project tru, that will not be viable and taint the whole concept for all the people that not familiar but still need to buy into it. like most govt projects.
i just need to know what going on with the carbon. they shouldnt burn methane to produce h2 unless they have a very good use for the carbon.
If the hydrogen project is using electrolysis, then the only byproduct will be Oxygen, and some water.
AFAIK, the IPSL, now Proman methanol plants got their CO2 from PCS, now Nutrien. With the idling of the biggest plants M5 and M4, the CO2 not used by the Urea plants in Nutrien, will be vented to atmosphere thus contributing further to green house gas emissions.
but u dont need to strike a deal with tringen to do electroysis route. so, hence my presumption that they want to use tringen1 reformer to do the h2 generation.
the extra 400mt of meoh that m5000 used to make, used the purge gas from the loops of the other plants. as a further means of economies/ecology, as that gas simply burnt in the reformer. so what used to be chaching, went back to jess going up in flames.
400mt by 400us is 160,000 US per day
y? cause rowley want lng train 1 to survive.
Yea things getting worse and worse under them and they always have an excuse to fool the population.zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
So if you could migrate get out now? what you think?
Some of them youth paying to do it too...Not the best use of money at this time.De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
So if you could migrate get out now? what you think?
Yes, industry is dead, forex shortages killing local businesses that are not already well established and manufacturing is similarly dead. I pity those youths doing PPO, Mech/Elec Eng etc.
De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
So if you could migrate get out now? what you think?
Yes, industry is dead, forex shortages killing local businesses that are not already well established and manufacturing is similarly dead. I pity those youths doing PPO, Mech/Elec Eng etc.
SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
So if you could migrate get out now? what you think?
Yes, industry is dead, forex shortages killing local businesses that are not already well established and manufacturing is similarly dead. I pity those youths doing PPO, Mech/Elec Eng etc.
what about those that do med?
SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:De Dragon wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:zoom rader wrote:These plants can disassemble their assets and move to another favorable country in months. They always have a second avenue and I think they gave the red government enough time .
They did the same when they came here.
Who's loosing, certainly not the plants.
This Red government don't know how to run a county , their behaviour is immature. They are chasing away industry.
If you folks cant see that we are, now an island of waiters and store clerks then you all need help and are very stupid people .
Dumbass Banana Republic
Just curious, do you think things will get better if UNC win the next election? or is it like unrecoverable?
No, it will take many years to halt the slide in gas production, and years to get back that level of FDI. A plant isn't like a burger cart, once it is moved out of T&T, that's it, especially as gas prices will not significantly reduce in the short term. For this we can thank JUHN Scarfy and Goebbels, who "negotiated" us right out of our previously envious position of being a major attraction for FDI.
So if you could migrate get out now? what you think?
Yes, industry is dead, forex shortages killing local businesses that are not already well established and manufacturing is similarly dead. I pity those youths doing PPO, Mech/Elec Eng etc.
what about those that do med?
alfa wrote:How come habit7 not white knighting it for the pnm as yet?
DreamWeaver wrote:Titan Timeline:
2019 December 31st - Titan's gas contract expired and they get interim extensions until April 1st, 2020.
2020 April 1st - Methanex idles Titan due to Covid and the inability to get a long term gas contract with NGC.
2021 January 7th - Methanex announces they are shuttering Titan and retrenching workers.
M5000 Timeline:
2020 September 22nd - M5000's gas contract expired and they get interim extensions until April 1st, 2021.
2021 April 1st - MHTL idles M5000 due to the inability to get a long term gas contract with NGC.
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...... the similarities are uncanny. Fill in the blank. I havent even considered M4 since their contract would have expired a while ago and NGC has been giving them interim supplies for quite some time. If MHTL does get a contract, I imagine Methanex will be interested in knowing the terms. Seeing as Atlantic Train 1 needs gas and the govt is eager to make good on their Train 1 TAR funding and their "better returns" agreeement for Train 1, I dont expect MHTL or Methanex to have their plants back online anytime soon.
He's one of those jump and wave pastors, the new breed of the red government churches to hook idiots in their cult. Easteralfa wrote:How come habit7 not white knighting it for the pnm as yet?
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