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MG Man wrote:how you know that?
MG Man wrote:Sacchetto Boutique wrote:
what!?! after 502pages, you still think the muslims who post in this thread SUPPORT that violence? I have to verify all the info u posted 1st to see if its really true. Also, just because an islamic state that uses Sharia law, makes a decision on something, doesnt mean that the decision made was necessarily based on islam afaik
you just pick out the stuff you like and then downplay the rest, dontcha
A decision made in in an islamic nation not really based on islam?
really?
these people live and breathe their religion
heck they live and die by it
what do you suppose they base it on then? Id love to hear your thoughts on this
AdamB wrote:^That's a "freedom" that Sachetto will have to answer on the Day of Judgment. One a woman is properly dressed and in the company of a male relative, she can go anywhere and talk to anyone...as long as she is not alone with the male non-relative.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
MG Man wrote:she is an insult and embarrassment to enlightened muslim women everywhere
Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
I didnt realise I was on trial. What "talks" am I having with men on this forum? Lets be technical...i post a reply and someone replys..thats not "talking" secondly, are my replies of a sexual nature? If i lived in an islamic state, id probably not even have to work..that'd rock..i go to work without my hubby or male relative bc i have bills to pay and i do it bc its not a prob for me to assist my husband.
Wished I didnt have to leave my house to be quite honest! but, alas, hubby cant be with me every second of the day
Normally, I run errands with my dad but I do work with non-muslim men who I have to communicate with bc of work but im pretty confident about answering for that on the day of judgement. Thanks for all your concerns though.
Oh yea i forgot to mention...i hate driving! wished i never ever in life have to do it.
Sacchetto Boutique wrote:MG Man wrote:she is an insult and embarrassment to enlightened muslim women everywhere
thats again, just your opinion..dont really care for it..u know whose opinion matters to me? Allah's and my hubby's
Liked how u put 'enlightened' so u admit that a muslim woman can be such...how is that possible if islam opresses them though? u say one thing in a post but in a next post, u say something contrary...ur a very confusing person
mamoo_pagal wrote:Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
I didnt realise I was on trial. What "talks" am I having with men on this forum? Lets be technical...i post a reply and someone replys..thats not "talking" secondly, are my replies of a sexual nature? If i lived in an islamic state, id probably not even have to work..that'd rock..i go to work without my hubby or male relative bc i have bills to pay and i do it bc its not a prob for me to assist my husband.
Wished I didnt have to leave my house to be quite honest! but, alas, hubby cant be with me every second of the day
Normally, I run errands with my dad but I do work with non-muslim men who I have to communicate with bc of work but im pretty confident about answering for that on the day of judgement. Thanks for all your concerns though.
Oh yea i forgot to mention...i hate driving! wished i never ever in life have to do it.
hmm because of work!! I wonder what other situations allows straying from the scripture? You are "confident" in answering on the day of judgment. Sorry, women aren't allowed to have confidence in Islam, hence they must have a baby sitter all day, why isn't the mother allowed to accompany the daughter instead of a male relative?
MG Man wrote:Sacchetto Boutique wrote:MG Man wrote:she is an insult and embarrassment to enlightened muslim women everywhere
thats again, just your opinion..dont really care for it..u know whose opinion matters to me? Allah's and my hubby's
Liked how u put 'enlightened' so u admit that a muslim woman can be such...how is that possible if islam opresses them though? u say one thing in a post but in a next post, u say something contrary...ur a very confusing person
a) sarcasm much?
b) I just going by what AdamB said, and you admit he's waaaay more versed in islam than you
c) allah frowns upon your faith in your husband's opinion...............and since when does allah have 'opinions'?
Sacchetto Boutique wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote:Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
I didnt realise I was on trial. What "talks" am I having with men on this forum? Lets be technical...i post a reply and someone replys..thats not "talking" secondly, are my replies of a sexual nature? If i lived in an islamic state, id probably not even have to work..that'd rock..i go to work without my hubby or male relative bc i have bills to pay and i do it bc its not a prob for me to assist my husband.
Wished I didnt have to leave my house to be quite honest! but, alas, hubby cant be with me every second of the day
Normally, I run errands with my dad but I do work with non-muslim men who I have to communicate with bc of work but im pretty confident about answering for that on the day of judgement. Thanks for all your concerns though.
Oh yea i forgot to mention...i hate driving! wished i never ever in life have to do it.
hmm because of work!! I wonder what other situations allows straying from the scripture? You are "confident" in answering on the day of judgment. Sorry, women aren't allowed to have confidence in Islam, hence they must have a baby sitter all day, why isn't the mother allowed to accompany the daughter instead of a male relative?
yes, bc of WORK, im not a stripper. Im an accounts receivable clerk at this particular office but i also do webdesign, graphics etc. I have my husband's permission to work and to work at this establishment. I conduct my work in a very professional and honest manner. Since you are an expert in islam, perhaps you can answer your own question...its news to me that women are not allowed to have confidence in islam..perhaps your definition of 'confidence' is different from mine.
Question-Are women allowed to work in an environment if it contains free-mixing of women and men and speaking to men? Are there any exceptions regarding education, nursing and other typical woman jobs? We know that most traditional scholars dont look very positive at these issues and even disallow mixed education for women...
Answer- EMPLOYMENT
With regard to the woman's right to seek employment, it should be stated first that Islam regards her role in society as a mother and a wife as her most sacred and essential one. Neither maids nor baby sitters can possibly take the mother's place as the educator of an upright, complex-free, and carefully reared child. Such a noble and vital role, which largely shapes the future of nations, cannot be regarded as "idleness." This may explain why a married woman must secure her husband's consent if she wishes to work, unless her right to work was mutually agreed to as a condition at the time of marriage.
However, there is no decree in Islam that forbids women from seeking employment whenever there is a necessity for it, especially in positions which fit her nature best and in which society needs her most. Examples of these professions are: nursing, teaching (especially children), medicine, and social and charitable work. Moreover, there is no restriction on benefiting from women's talent in any field. Some early jurists, such as Abu Hanifah and Al-Tabari, uphold that a qualified Muslim woman may be appointed to the position of a judge. Other jurists hold different opinions. Yet, no jurist is able to point to an explicit text in the Quran or Sunnah that categorically excludes women from any lawful type of employment except for the headship of the state, which is discussed in the following chapter. Omar, the second Caliph after the Prophet (P), appointed a woman (Um Al-Shifaa' bint Abdullah) as the marketplace supervisor, a position that is equivalent in our world to "director of the consumer protection department."
In countries where Muslims are a numerical minority, some Muslim women, while recognizing the importance of their role as mothers, may be forced to seek employment in order to survive. This is especially true in the case of divorcees and widows and in the absence of the Islamic financial security measures outlined above.
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/gender/equity4.asp
MG Man wrote:there you go again, picking and choosing what to believe / follow
if that's all there is to it, whey a whole big fat book?
and you disagree that allah doesn't want you to go around in public escotred by a male relative (not counting cousins cuz u can marry cousins)? How do you reconcile that with how you live?
AdamB, your thoughts on this would be appreciated as well.
Sacchetto Boutique wrote:mamoo_pagal wrote:Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
I didnt realise I was on trial. What "talks" am I having with men on this forum? Lets be technical...i post a reply and someone replys..thats not "talking" secondly, are my replies of a sexual nature? If i lived in an islamic state, id probably not even have to work..that'd rock..i go to work without my hubby or male relative bc i have bills to pay and i do it bc its not a prob for me to assist my husband.
Wished I didnt have to leave my house to be quite honest! but, alas, hubby cant be with me every second of the day
Normally, I run errands with my dad but I do work with non-muslim men who I have to communicate with bc of work but im pretty confident about answering for that on the day of judgement. Thanks for all your concerns though.
Oh yea i forgot to mention...i hate driving! wished i never ever in life have to do it.
hmm because of work!! I wonder what other situations allows straying from the scripture? You are "confident" in answering on the day of judgment. Sorry, women aren't allowed to have confidence in Islam, hence they must have a baby sitter all day, why isn't the mother allowed to accompany the daughter instead of a male relative?
yes, bc of WORK, im not a stripper. Im an accounts receivable clerk at this particular office but i also do webdesign, graphics etc. I have my husband's permission to work and to work at this establishment. I conduct my work in a very professional and honest manner. Since you are an expert in islam, perhaps you can answer your own question...its news to me that women are not allowed to have confidence in islam..perhaps your definition of 'confidence' is different from mine.
Question-Are women allowed to work in an environment if it contains free-mixing of women and men and speaking to men? Are there any exceptions regarding education, nursing and other typical woman jobs? We know that most traditional scholars dont look very positive at these issues and even disallow mixed education for women...
Answer- EMPLOYMENT
With regard to the woman's right to seek employment, it should be stated first that Islam regards her role in society as a mother and a wife as her most sacred and essential one. Neither maids nor baby sitters can possibly take the mother's place as the educator of an upright, complex-free, and carefully reared child. Such a noble and vital role, which largely shapes the future of nations, cannot be regarded as "idleness." This may explain why a married woman must secure her husband's consent if she wishes to work, unless her right to work was mutually agreed to as a condition at the time of marriage.
However, there is no decree in Islam that forbids women from seeking employment whenever there is a necessity for it, especially in positions which fit her nature best and in which society needs her most. Examples of these professions are: nursing, teaching (especially children), medicine, and social and charitable work. Moreover, there is no restriction on benefiting from women's talent in any field. Some early jurists, such as Abu Hanifah and Al-Tabari, uphold that a qualified Muslim woman may be appointed to the position of a judge. Other jurists hold different opinions. Yet, no jurist is able to point to an explicit text in the Quran or Sunnah that categorically excludes women from any lawful type of employment except for the headship of the state, which is discussed in the following chapter. Omar, the second Caliph after the Prophet (P), appointed a woman (Um Al-Shifaa' bint Abdullah) as the marketplace supervisor, a position that is equivalent in our world to "director of the consumer protection department."
In countries where Muslims are a numerical minority, some Muslim women, while recognizing the importance of their role as mothers, may be forced to seek employment in order to survive. This is especially true in the case of divorcees and widows and in the absence of the Islamic financial security measures outlined above.
http://www.soundvision.com/Info/gender/equity4.asp
burden of proof is on AdamB hereAdamB wrote:MG Man wrote:how you know that?
How do you don't know that?
so her husband or other mahram needs to be with her all the time while she is talking to us on the forum?AdamB wrote:^That's a "freedom" that Sachetto will have to answer on the Day of Judgment. One a woman is properly dressed and in the company of a male relative, she can go anywhere and talk to anyone...as long as she is not alone with the male non-relative.
power to you! I admire anyone who gets up and takes the responsibilities they have.Sacchetto Boutique wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ ALOT of muslims will say YOU are twisting it to suit YOURSELF as well. Just saying.
In Saudi Arabia they do not allow women to drive. Infact under Sharia law you will not be able to talk to men, who are not related to you, as freely as you are doing on this forum.
Do you go anywhere by yourself?
I didnt realise I was on trial. What "talks" am I having with men on this forum? Lets be technical...i post a reply and someone replys..thats not "talking" secondly, are my replies of a sexual nature? If i lived in an islamic state, id probably not even have to work..that'd rock..i go to work without my hubby or male relative bc i have bills to pay and i do it bc its not a prob for me to assist my husband.
Wished I didnt have to leave my house to be quite honest! but, alas, hubby cant be with me every second of the day
Normally, I run errands with my dad but I do work with non-muslim men who I have to communicate with bc of work but im pretty confident about answering for that on the day of judgement. Thanks for all your concerns though.
Oh yea i forgot to mention...i hate driving! wished i never ever in life have to do it.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:so her husband or other mahram needs to be with her all the time while she is talking to us on the forum?AdamB wrote:^That's a "freedom" that Sachetto will have to answer on the Day of Judgment. One a woman is properly dressed and in the company of a male relative, she can go anywhere and talk to anyone...as long as she is not alone with the male non-relative.
nothing is wrong with women looking at men. In Islam men do not have to cover their face.bluefete wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:so her husband or other mahram needs to be with her all the time while she is talking to us on the forum?AdamB wrote:^That's a "freedom" that Sachetto will have to answer on the Day of Judgment. One a woman is properly dressed and in the company of a male relative, she can go anywhere and talk to anyone...as long as she is not alone with the male non-relative.
Technical difference. She cannot 'SEE' men on the forum.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:nothing is wrong with women looking at men. In Islam men do not have to cover their face.bluefete wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:so her husband or other mahram needs to be with her all the time while she is talking to us on the forum?AdamB wrote:^That's a "freedom" that Sachetto will have to answer on the Day of Judgment. One a woman is properly dressed and in the company of a male relative, she can go anywhere and talk to anyone...as long as she is not alone with the male non-relative.
Technical difference. She cannot 'SEE' men on the forum.
Also even if a man cannot see a woman behind a veil, they should not be intermingling and constantly talking casually. In passing it seems to be ok, but daily?
Maybe AdamB can shed some light on this?
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