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Postby buzz » January 21st, 2010, 12:44 pm

if any interests @ all IMO: - build up relations / vantage point in teh Americas for "jus in case"

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Postby Maserati » January 21st, 2010, 12:44 pm

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:
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Maserati wrote:What CARICOM going there to assess?
It was common knowledge the kind of destruction that took place..last thing Haiti needed was a plane full of politicians walking about for the cameras.

Good to see the US stepped up to the plate and took charge, if they had to wait for another country they would still be waiting on supplies etc to come through.
Sorry if they are pushy with the foreign teams but then that is the yankee way.


Not really eh Mas.....when Grenada was devasted by the Hurricane in 2005...CARICOM did the very good job in response and recovery of that nation eh. In fact, the Trinidad Defense Force/Army team was key in the reconstructive process and aid distribution.
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I was actually remembering that the other day..but this is an entire different scale..
The swift response was needed for those who survived.

From BBC I've seen alot of the foreign teams rescue people..but that window for those to be alive in the rubble is fast closing, and the focus will have to be for the survivors.


chu...its going on 9-10 days now...


but we've all seen miracles in past earthquake situations where people have survived way past that window.

Hopefully after this initial out pouring of aid, it doesn't dry up and everyone is left living in tent cities.

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Postby RBphoto » January 21st, 2010, 1:19 pm

Amazing story of Iphone helping survival
in Haiti. Kinda off topic, but did not want to start a new thread for it.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ ... or-iphone/

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Postby Yeo » January 21st, 2010, 1:35 pm

everyone is left living in tent cities


My biggest fear.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby equipped2ripp » January 21st, 2010, 8:36 pm

blimp and fast ferry :lol: :lol:



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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 8:58 pm

pioneer wrote:yupp yuh done know...doh underestimate de military might of caricom...they could handle 3 million angry, hungry, armed haitians....i mean come on...they help build shed in grenada


come nah man..class done since 12 oclock...yu NOW raising yuh hand?

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 21st, 2010, 9:15 pm

pioneer wrote:Oh boy...the anti-americans strike again :|


soon Haiti go be like...

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Postby Maserati » January 22nd, 2010, 3:05 pm

Good read here.
Article written by Hilary Beckles, she's well known for her work on Caribbean history.

http://www.nationnews.com/story/guest-c ... py-for-web

The hate and the quake


Published on: 1/17/2010.


BY SIR HILARY BECKLES

THE UNIVERSITY OF THE WEST INDIES is in the process of conceiving how best to deliver a major conference on the theme Rethinking And Rebuilding Haiti.

I am very keen to provide an input into this exercise because for too long there has been a popular perception that somehow the Haitian nation-building project, launched on January 1, 1804, has failed on account of mismanagement, ineptitude, corruption.

Buried beneath the rubble of imperial propaganda, out of both Western Europe and the United States, is the evidence which shows that Haiti's independence was defeated by an aggressive North-Atlantic alliance that could not imagine their world inhabited by a free regime of Africans as representatives of the newly emerging democracy.

The evidence is striking, especially in the context of France.

The Haitians fought for their freedom and won, as did the Americans fifty years earlier. The Americans declared their independence and crafted an extraordinary constitution that set out a clear message about the value of humanity and the right to freedom, justice, and liberty.

In the midst of this brilliant discourse, they chose to retain slavery as the basis of the new nation state. The founding fathers therefore could not see beyond race, as the free state was built on a slavery foundation.

The water was poisoned in the well; the Americans went back to the battlefield a century later to resolve the fact that slavery and freedom could not comfortably co-exist in the same place.

The French, also, declared freedom, fraternity and equality as the new philosophies of their national transformation and gave the modern world a tremendous progressive boost by so doing.

They abolished slavery, but Napoleon Bonaparte could not imagine the republic without slavery and targeted the Haitians for a new, more intense regime of slavery. The British agreed, as did the Dutch, Spanish and Portuguese.

All were linked in communion over the 500 000 Blacks in Haiti, the most populous and prosperous Caribbean colony.

As the jewel of the Caribbean, they all wanted to get their hands on it. With a massive slave base, the English, French and Dutch salivated over owning it - and the people.

The people won a ten-year war, the bloodiest in modern history, and declared their independence. Every other country in the Americas was based on slavery.

Haiti was freedom, and proceeded to place in its 1805 Independence Constitution that any person of African descent who arrived on its shores would be declared free, and a citizen of the republic.

For the first time since slavery had commenced, Blacks were the subjects of mass freedom and citizenship in a nation.

The French refused to recognise Haiti's independence and declared it an illegal pariah state. The Americans, whom the Haitians looked to in solidarity as their mentor in independence, refused to recognise them, and offered solidarity instead to the French. The British, who were negotiating with the French to obtain the ownership title to Haiti, also moved in solidarity, as did every other nation-state the Western world.

Haiti was isolated at birth - ostracised and denied access to world trade, finance, and institutional development. It was the most vicious example of national strangulation recorded in modern history.

The Cubans, at least, have had Russia, China, and Vietnam. The Haitians were alone from inception. The crumbling began.

Then came 1825; the moment of full truth. The republic is celebrating its 21st anniversary. There is national euphoria in the streets of Port-au-Prince.

The economy is bankrupt; the political leadership isolated. The cabinet took the decision that the state of affairs could not continue.

The country had to find a way to be inserted back into the world economy. The French government was invited to a summit.

Officials arrived and told the Haitian government that they were willing to recognise the country as a sovereign nation but it would have to pay compensation and reparation in exchange. The Haitians, with backs to the wall, agreed to pay the French.

The French government sent a team of accountants and actuaries into Haiti in order to place a value on all lands, all physical assets, the 500 000 citizens were who formerly enslaved, animals, and all other commercial properties and services.

The sums amounted to 150 million gold francs. Haiti was told to pay this reparation to France in return for national recognition.

The Haitian government agreed; payments began immediately. Members of the Cabinet were also valued because they had been enslaved people before independence.

Thus began the systematic destruction of the Republic of Haiti. The French government bled the nation and rendered it a failed state. It was a merciless exploitation that was designed and guaranteed to collapse the Haitian economy and society.

Haiti was forced to pay this sum until 1922 when the last instalment was made. During the long 19th century, the payment to France amounted to up to 70 per cent of the country's foreign exchange earnings.

Jamaica today pays up to 70 per cent in order to service its international and domestic debt. Haiti was crushed by this debt payment. It descended into financial and social chaos.

The republic did not stand a chance. France was enriched and it took pleasure from the fact that having been defeated by Haitians on the battlefield, it had won on the field of finance. In the years when the coffee crops failed, or the sugar yield was down, the Haitian government borrowed on the French money market at double the going interest rate in order to repay the French government.

When the Americans invaded the country in the early 20th century, one of the reasons offered was to assist the French in collecting its reparations.

The collapse of the Haitian nation resides at the feet of France and America, especially. These two nations betrayed, failed, and destroyed the dream that was Haiti; crushed to dust in an effort to destroy the flower of freedom and the seed of justice.

Haiti did not fail. It was destroyed by two of the most powerful nations on earth, both of which continue to have a primary interest in its current condition.

The sudden quake has come in the aftermath of summers of hate. In many ways the quake has been less destructive than the hate.

Human life was snuffed out by the quake, while the hate has been a long and inhumane suffocation - a crime against humanity.

During the 2001 UN Conference on Race in Durban, South Africa, strong representation was made to the French government to repay the 150 million francs.

The value of this amount was estimated by financial actuaries as US$21 billion. This sum of capital could rebuild Haiti and place it in a position to re-engage the modern world. It was illegally extracted from the Haitian people and should be repaid.

It is stolen wealth. In so doing, France could discharge its moral obligation to the Haitian people.

For a nation that prides itself in the celebration of modern diplomacy, France, in order to exist with the moral authority of this diplomacy in this post-modern world, should do the just and legal thing.

Such an act at the outset of this century would open the door for a sophisticated interface of past and present, and set the Haitian nation free at last.

l Sir Hilary Beckles is pro-vice-chancellor and Principal of the Cave Hill Campus, UWI.

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Postby beyond » January 22nd, 2010, 3:28 pm

Maserati wrote:Good read here.
Article written by Hilary Beckles, she's well known for her work on Caribbean history.

http://www.nationnews.com/story/guest-c ... py-for-web

The hate and the quake


Published on: 1/17/2010.


BY SIR HILARY BECKLES



The people won a ten-year war, the bloodiest in modern history, and declared their independence. Every other country in the Americas was based on slavery.

Haiti was freedom, and proceeded to place in its 1805 Independence Constitution that any person of African descent who arrived on its shores would be declared free, and a citizen of the republic.

For the first time since slavery had commenced, Blacks were the subjects of mass freedom and citizenship in a nation.

The French refused to recognise Haiti's independence and declared it an illegal pariah state. The Americans, whom the Haitians looked to in solidarity as their mentor in independence, refused to recognise them, and offered solidarity instead to the French. The British, who were negotiating with the French to obtain the ownership title to Haiti, also moved in solidarity, as did every other nation-state the Western world.

Haiti was isolated at birth - ostracised and denied access to world trade, finance, and institutional development. It was the most vicious example of national strangulation recorded in modern history.

The Cubans, at least, have had Russia, China, and Vietnam. The Haitians were alone from inception. The crumbling began.



The value of this amount was estimated by financial actuaries as US$21 billion. This sum of capital could rebuild Haiti and place it in a position to re-engage the modern world. It was illegally extracted from the Haitian people and should be repaid.

It is stolen wealth. In so doing, France could discharge its moral obligation to the Haitian people.

For a nation that prides itself in the celebration of modern diplomacy, France, in order to exist with the moral authority of this diplomacy in this post-modern world, should do the just and legal thing.

Such an act at the outset of this century would open the door for a sophisticated interface of past and present, and set the Haitian nation free at last.

l Sir Hilary Beckles is pro-vice-chancellor and Principal of the Cave Hill Campus, UWI.



when the hatians were "alone"and still "alone" where were their brothers from africa. how come the nigerians and senegalese and tutsi did not come to the aid of haiti? for so long nigeria prducing oil. what they doing with the money?

now this situation of france owing haiti 21billion.
well how much does england owe india?
get over it. slavery done long time. no one is going to pay back a dime including the french, english and whoever else "Sir Beckles" decide to blame.

haiti don't even have a pepper tree.

you want to blame the dutch for that?

i wonder is "sir beckles" blame papa doc as yet? he must be still living nice in miami :) :)

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Postby Maserati » January 22nd, 2010, 3:44 pm

^It's a lady and she is based at the UWI in Jamaica.

And it is not about slavery..
India pay England for independence???


WTF their 'brothers in Africa' have to do with this?
Haiti is a Caribbean county not African. those countries in Africa under no obligation to give $ in the past to them.
They didn't hit the country with such harsh financial conditions that it screwed them over..imagine 70% of their foreign exchange earnings went to pay France back..wtf were they left with?

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Postby trini_ravi » January 22nd, 2010, 4:31 pm

Please of course it's not a total humanitarian effort, the US is taking advantage of the mis-fortunes of hati.

1) Hati has to 'surrender' control to the US
2) the US is going to get there companies to rebuild/ supply so the borrowed money going back into there economy
3) Us companies are gonna be setup there and bet ur bottom dollar that they gonna exploit the hatians untapped natural resources, whatever they may be.

3 points from the top of my head...

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Postby beyond » January 22nd, 2010, 4:54 pm

Maserati wrote:^It's a lady and she is based at the UWI in Jamaica.

And it is not about slavery..
India pay England for independence???


WTF their 'brothers in Africa' have to do with this?
Haiti is a Caribbean county not African. those countries in Africa under no obligation to give $ in the past to them.
They didn't hit the country with such harsh financial conditions that it screwed them over..imagine 70% of their foreign exchange earnings went to pay France back..wtf were they left with?



when a country wants to survive come what might. they will survive.

england rob india, caribbean, america etc etc. india was especially targeted.. now after england , america imposed sanctions on india for more than a decade, so what. no one cryign about spilled milk

who has time to calculate what england "owe" them.
the only reason some joker put the figure at 70% of total earnings , is because haiti is a failed state.

instead of wallowing in some dream land. why don't the same people who crying crocodile tears for haiti do something constructive and really help them.

tlaking about france is not going to help them.

but i guess most people realise that these "failed" states have alot in common.

you really think someone paying china for the destruction japan did to them in world war 2?
no one will even entertains that idea.

but all sorts of figures and numbers are bandied about for haiti. the last thing haiti needs now is 21billion US dollars.

what a load.

"Sir Beckles" shold really write about the similarities of prosperous nations as opposed to failed states. and what sort of structures and institutions will lead to success . put it in french and ship a few billion to haiti.

the nucleus of any successful state is the "family unit".

on cnn (2hours ago) i see 2 haitian police shoot and kill two haitians . because they had rice. in broad daylight. cnn filmed as one haitian was gasping his last breaths . this happened at a busy intersection.
newsday had pictures on haitians beating another haitians dead and dragging them through the streets.

after all of that some clowns on this forum oh so worried about "america occupying haiti" and "haiti being another somalia" ]

crocodile tears.

haitians need alot of help.
money don't make institutions.

institutions make money.

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Postby Maserati » January 22nd, 2010, 5:02 pm

Alot of Chinese still hold feelings against the Jap for what happened in WWII.

Weren't the people who were killed stealing?

$ = rebuilding of basic infrastructure...I can bet you a few months down the road the world will forget and news coverage will just die down.
Always happens.

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Postby trini_ravi » January 22nd, 2010, 5:27 pm

Mazzaratti i was now about to talk about that article...

so much unjust has been done to Hati and much of it has been untold... why don't you see this story in the media??? or learn this in skools???

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Postby Maserati » January 22nd, 2010, 5:31 pm

trini_ravi wrote:Mazzaratti i was now about to talk about that article...

so much unjust has been done to Hati and much of it has been untold... why don't you see this story in the media??? or learn this in skools???


good question yes Ravi
I think in A level history we may have covered it, can't recall as it was many years ago.

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Postby RASC » January 22nd, 2010, 5:34 pm

equipped2ripp wrote:blimp and fast ferry :lol: :lol:



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Postby RASC » January 22nd, 2010, 5:48 pm

pioneer wrote:LOL...look...all who want to go back india and africa and continue feeling sorry for their race 500 years later...then feel free to go :?


I ain't seeing no line at the Ghanian or Indian embassy clamoring for Visa

Must be a holiday or sumthing in those countries :lol:

One way tickets still on sale ppl...Mother Africa/India THEY COMING :lol:

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Postby beyond » January 22nd, 2010, 9:25 pm

RASC wrote:
pioneer wrote:LOL...look...all who want to go back india and africa and continue feeling sorry for their race 500 years later...then feel free to go :?


I ain't seeing no line at the Ghanian or Indian embassy clamoring for Visa

Must be a holiday or sumthing in those countries :lol:

One way tickets still on sale ppl...Mother Africa/India THEY COMING :lol:


do you see anyone infront of zimbabwe embassy?

you think zimbabwe is in holiday mode also?

"mother africa" a mother takes care of her children :) :) :)

a mother gives her children food, clothes, culture, religion :) :) :)

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Postby beyond » January 22nd, 2010, 9:31 pm

Maserati wrote:Alot of Chinese still hold feelings against the Jap for what happened in WWII.

Weren't the people who were killed stealing?

$ = rebuilding of basic infrastructure...I can bet you a few months down the road the world will forget and news coverage will just die down.
Always happens.


pal when the police killing in broad daylight for a few bag of rice. if the rice was stolen is irrelevant.

(people on the streets said the rice fell of a truck. of course i can't know for sure)

at any rate, this act shows how haitians have little care for their own brothers and sisters.
the hatian police commissioner said "he will investigate"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/ameri ... .shooting/

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Postby RASC » January 22nd, 2010, 9:37 pm

beyond wrote:
RASC wrote:
pioneer wrote:LOL...look...all who want to go back india and africa and continue feeling sorry for their race 500 years later...then feel free to go :?


I ain't seeing no line at the Ghanian or Indian embassy clamoring for Visa

Must be a holiday or sumthing in those countries :lol:

One way tickets still on sale ppl...Mother Africa/India THEY COMING :lol:


do you see anyone infront of zimbabwe embassy?



:? There isn't any in TT. What are you talking about...

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Postby Monk BANzai » January 22nd, 2010, 10:00 pm

pioneer wrote:LOL...look...all who want to go back india and africa and continue feeling sorry for their race 500 years later...then feel free to go :?


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haiti

Postby beyond » February 11th, 2010, 3:09 pm

considering the outpouring of sympathy for teh haitians:


i wonder if anyone sacrificed going to a carnival of playing carnival and instead choose to send the money to haiti, for relief efforts.

know anyone like this?

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Re: haiti

Postby Dragist » February 11th, 2010, 3:23 pm

beyond wrote:considering the outpouring of sympathy for teh haitians:


i wonder if anyone sacrificed going to a carnival of playing carnival and instead choose to send the money to haiti, for relief efforts.

know anyone like this?



What ?????

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Re: haiti

Postby RapToR » February 11th, 2010, 3:27 pm

Dragist wrote:
beyond wrote:considering the outpouring of sympathy for teh haitians:


i wonder if anyone sacrificed going to a carnival of playing carnival and instead choose to send the money to haiti, for relief efforts.

know anyone like this?



What ?????

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Postby rollingstock » February 11th, 2010, 3:27 pm

Eh?

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Postby RapToR » February 11th, 2010, 3:30 pm

yuh wah sum sorrel awa

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Postby AllTrac » February 11th, 2010, 3:30 pm

?orwah sorrel some want yuh

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Postby SMc » February 11th, 2010, 3:33 pm

this thread is beyond my comprehension....

tek this instead

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Postby RASC » February 11th, 2010, 3:35 pm

AllTrac wrote:?orwah sorrel some want yuh


EH???

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