PEP Policy Discussion

Slartibartfast · Postby **Slartibartfast** » January 30th, 2020, 3:07 pm

Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

sMASH · Postby **sMASH** » January 30th, 2020, 3:57 pm

we still suffer from too many tribal mentality

VexXx Dogg · Postby **VexXx Dogg** » February 1st, 2020, 9:27 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

Tried that with COP, tbh.
they looked the most promising, they talked the talk, they walked the walk until they did that foolishness with the PP

The difference between the COP and the PEP is chalk and cheese. I'm not an ecomonist nor a political scientist, but from my limited understanding on finance and pragmatic governance, the PEP's spiel is mostly nonsense.

If another party can come with the same weight, experience and sense like the COP did.....we might have a viable third contender. Right now, the PEP have a better chance than the COP tbh, and that's saying lots - considering I can pretty much predict a loss of deposit for each orange candidate.

Slartibartfast · Postby **Slartibartfast** » February 3rd, 2020, 8:58 am

VexXx Dogg wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

All you need to do is vote for who you think is best even if you are 100% sure that they will lose. Let your vote actually count. If the 3rd parties we have start getting more support then we will get better candidates as people figure out that it's not a waste of their time to go up for elections.

But please refrain from voting for UNC because you don't want PNM to win. The opposite happened last elections and the PNM are still convinced that we are in support of them because the only metric the have to accurately measure support for them shows it to be that way.

So vote for PEP if you think they are best, or MSJ or Progressive Party or whoever. Just stop voting for the "lesser of two evils" or else we will never get out of this spiral.

Tried that with COP, tbh.
they looked the most promising, they talked the talk, they walked the walk until they did that foolishness with the PP

The difference between the COP and the PEP is chalk and cheese. I'm not an ecomonist nor a political scientist, but from my limited understanding on finance and pragmatic governance, the PEP's spiel is mostly nonsense.

If another party can come with the same weight, experience and sense like the COP did.....we might have a viable third contender. Right now, the PEP have a better chance than the COP tbh, and that's saying lots - considering I can pretty much predict a loss of deposit for each orange candidate.

COP did more harm than good in the end. What they did with the PP made people lose hope in third parties and basically secured power for UNC/PNM for the next decade.

But at the end of the day, we are going to have to start using the democratic system the way it is meant to be used and stop voting based on outcome. We already tried UNC and PNM, both of which have shown that that they unfit to represent us so it is time we start moving on to other alternatives. UNC/PNM not going to try to represent us if they know they can get what they want without doing it.

VexXx Dogg · Postby **VexXx Dogg** » February 3rd, 2020, 9:10 am

I had some older research from about 10 years ago on the democratic systems and a couple alternatives jumped out.

The westminster democracy, or the variant that we have is a dead end IMHO. We keep beating a dead horse and making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes.

When I was reading, I found Lijphart's work on consocationalism and consensus democracies to be quite interesting. The experts can chime in here.

reboot2020 · Postby **reboot2020** » May 22nd, 2020, 1:34 pm

Some of the discussions the PEP has been having via their Plain Talk series during this lockdown period:

#PlainTALK - An Interview with Nirad Tewarie, CEO of AMCHAM T&T

#PlainTALK - Activists Assemble!

#PlainTALK - An Interview with 2 Time Caribbean and T&T Footballer of the Year, David Nakhid

#PlainTALK - A One on one with former Senator and Attorney-at-law, Wayne Sturge

#PlainTALK - The Science of Politics - A Plain talks with senior political scientist Dr. Bishnu Ragoonath

#PlainTALK - The Economic Future of Trinidad and Tobago. An interview with Dr. 'Bhoe' Tewarie

#PlainTALK - An Interview with Member of Parliament, Prakash Ramadhar

#PlainTALK - Feeding the Nation

pugboy · Postby **pugboy** » May 22nd, 2020, 2:17 pm

Wha is latest with the mark he buss the other day about Newman george losing his us visa?

paid_influencer · Postby **paid_influencer** » May 26th, 2020, 8:40 pm

PEA with Vernon De Lima and Wayne Sturge

https://www.facebook.com/peptrinbago/vi ... 208881721/

a political leader we can be proud of

Slartibartfast · Postby **Slartibartfast** » June 24th, 2020, 11:14 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

VexXx Dogg wrote:I had some older research from about 10 years ago on the democratic systems and a couple alternatives jumped out.

The westminster democracy, or the variant that we have is a dead end IMHO. We keep beating a dead horse and making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes.

When I was reading, I found Lijphart's work on consocationalism and consensus democracies to be quite interesting. The experts can chime in here.

Looks like we were on the right track. Looks like Ranked Choice Voting may be something to look in to.

pugboy · Postby **pugboy** » June 24th, 2020, 12:06 pm

so pea was spreading fake news with this

pugboy wrote:Wha is latest with the mark he buss the other day about Newman george losing his us visa?

VexXx Dogg · Postby **VexXx Dogg** » June 24th, 2020, 12:10 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Our democracy is broken because we are not using it properly. We vote based on who we think will win the next election which is the dumbest thing we can do. This is why 3rd parties cannot get a proper foothold.

VexXx Dogg wrote:I had some older research from about 10 years ago on the democratic systems and a couple alternatives jumped out.

The westminster democracy, or the variant that we have is a dead end IMHO. We keep beating a dead horse and making the same mistakes and expect different outcomes.

When I was reading, I found Lijphart's work on consocationalism and consensus democracies to be quite interesting. The experts can chime in here.

Looks like we were on the right track. Looks like Ranked Choice Voting may be something to look in to.

Oooh, very cool stuff.
My current research is more coroporate governance than politics, but politics remains a very interesting area.

paid_influencer · Postby **paid_influencer** » June 28th, 2020, 3:31 pm

We big time now !!!!

half-syrian Jesus going on National media tonight to announce candidates. I am ready!

https://www.facebook.com/peptrinbago

K74T · Postby **K74T** » June 28th, 2020, 3:53 pm

matr1x · Postby **matr1x** » June 28th, 2020, 4:17 pm

The video was good....until he went to the doofus. Aoc is looking for her next meal ticket.

The problem with Democrats is its numbers versus quality

paid_influencer · Postby **paid_influencer** » June 28th, 2020, 8:10 pm

10 minutes in and I still ent hear PEA speak

this is good and bad'

zoom rader · Postby **zoom rader** » June 28th, 2020, 9:23 pm

PEP should focus on demographics that suit them or split some PNM vote.

Dem top vike ke vike, I don't see them as having any chance yet. Maybe 2030

VexXx Dogg · Postby **VexXx Dogg** » June 28th, 2020, 9:51 pm

paid_influencer wrote:We big time now !!!!

half-syrian Jesus going on National media tonight to announce candidates. I am ready!

https://www.facebook.com/peptrinbago

Nice man.
He can't complain about media blackout now - that was a crutch for quite some time

reboot2020 · Postby **reboot2020** » July 3rd, 2020, 6:30 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:We big time now !!!!

half-syrian Jesus going on National media tonight to announce candidates. I am ready!

https://www.facebook.com/peptrinbago

Nice man.
He can't complain about media blackout now - that was a crutch for quite some time

According to party page that was a paid broadcast. The blackout hasn't been lifted. One challenger has to spend 35K to get their message out when any fly by night party deemed to be non-threatening gets free and unearned media coverage for every utterance. That is unfair no matter who you support.

Partial slate announced, More on the way. :