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Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby rylan1996 » January 19th, 2014, 5:41 pm

I have a stock CK4 lancer, well I'm looking to make it into a quick project car and do a conversion on it. What's the best advice with the most moderate cost, been reading up and a 4G63T looks as though it could take the most tuning but that means I'll have to buy a Evo Back and Front cut, any suggestions?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Ted_v2 » January 20th, 2014, 1:05 am

Awd conversion makes no sense.
The car won't be able to put down the power.
Best bet is to scrap your car for parts and buy a evolution shell.

Hope no license officers stop you.
If you want to keep it fwd here's a 4g93t from a gsr that would work. Or if you want a hybrid 4g92 +t.

4g63t can't go fwd as far as I know

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby rylan1996 » January 20th, 2014, 6:29 am

Okay I think keeping it fwd will make more sense, and I was actually seeing the 4G93T, out of curiosity how much does a complete engine and transmission cost?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Ted_v2 » January 20th, 2014, 4:58 pm

Almost 20k.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kjaglal76 » January 20th, 2014, 7:41 pm

plz stop giving the man wrong info sound boy 64

yes, you can convert to 4wd with the evoIV parts u mentioned & wrk properly, trini full of them

yes, 4g63 can run fwd with the right gearbox, trini full of them

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Ted_v2 » January 20th, 2014, 8:37 pm

What gearbox I could run a evolution 4 engine on? Fwd.

How I converting from fwd to Awd?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kjaglal76 » January 20th, 2014, 10:19 pm

Think the FTO gearbox wrks, from the 6A12

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Sanctifier » January 20th, 2014, 11:58 pm

sound boy 64 wrote:How I converting from fwd to Awd?
This should help...

Link--> How To "Evolutionize" your Lancer!
Sanctifier wrote:IMHO E4 drivetrain & suspension bits are so old now that your best bet is to convert to an Evo 6 RS/RS2...
but it will cost a bundle to do properly... Front & Rear "halfs", plus new Image replacement parts
(suspension, bushings & mounts, engine overhaul kit & other parts... and on... and on)... Scary... & EXPENSIVE!
If you try to do it "on the cheap" (like so many others) you'll end up with an UNRELIABLE car or a FAILED project.

IMHO I would recommend selling your car and buying a decent Evo 6 but that's almost impossible to find today.
The alternative is to save for a couple more YEARS...then buy a newer Evo 8.
Less "looks" than the E6... but similar performance and handling... and body parts are more readily available.

If your "buget" is an issue, then use your CK4 and stay with fwd.
Sanctifier wrote:Upgrade the BRAKES (Brembo - Evo 5-9)... SUSPENSION (Ft=1800 GSR/Evo 4)... and RIMS & TYRES first...
Add 4G93T engine (rare but sometimes available)...
'PM' Mishi for suitable fwd (Mivec?) gearbox.

OR check eBay - Japan (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Japan-/3492/i.html) for 4G93T and gearbox.

BTW OP...
Best bet is to scrap your car for parts and buy a evolution shell... Hope no license officers stop you.
This is VERY bad advice. It's a great way to pay a BIG FINE and then... lose ALL your $$$$.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby rylan1996 » January 21st, 2014, 10:06 am

Sanctifier wrote:
sound boy 64 wrote:How I converting from fwd to Awd?
This should help...

If your "buget" is an issue, then use your CK4 and stay with fwd.
Sanctifier wrote:Upgrade the BRAKES (Brembo - Evo 5-9)... SUSPENSION (Ft=1800 GSR/Evo 4)... and RIMS & TYRES first...
Add 4G93T engine (rare but sometimes available)...
'PM' Mishi for suitable fwd (Mivec?) gearbox.

OR check eBay - Japan (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Japan-/3492/i.html) for 4G93T and gearbox.



Thanks Sanctifier for the response man, I think staying FWD and doing what you have above is the most practical for me in terms of my budget, are there any mechanics that is specialized in these conversions? Or any mechanic with a good reputation + experience should be able to perform the conversion? Oh and it was mentioned that you could use a FWD gearbox on a 4G63T? Is it practical and reliable?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Sanctifier » January 21st, 2014, 10:07 pm

rylan1996 wrote:Thanks Sanctifier for the response man, I think staying FWD and doing what you have above is the most practical for me in terms of my budget... it was mentioned that you could use a FWD gearbox on a 4G63T? Is it practical and reliable?
FWD gearbox on a 4G63T... IMHO I would NOT do a 4G63T FWD conversion... EVER!
The issue with that is "torque steer"... Google it and see for yourself.
The front "driven" axles are of unequal length and will react (steer the car) to throttle inputs... NOT what you need!

practical and reliable?... The FWD 4G93T will be much more "practical and reliable"... and much more ECONOMICAL to use as a "daily driver." I used to "fill" my 4wd 1800 GSR once or twice a week... I filled my stock Evo 6 RS2 every two days.

In any case, IMHO a well setup FWD chassis with 205 bhp will run rings around an "overpowered" 300+ bhp chassis (with torque steer) in the hands of a competent driver.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Ted_v2 » January 21st, 2014, 10:54 pm

I know about torque steer but is it possible to go 4g63t fwd?

What gearbox you think would work santifier

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Sanctifier » January 22nd, 2014, 5:52 am

^ ^ ^ I don't have a clue. Never was interested in FWD setups, so I never checked.

PM MISHI. He should be able to help.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kjaglal76 » January 22nd, 2014, 8:28 pm

how much fabrication is needed to have the cn9a back suspension mated to a CK? is it simple?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Sanctifier » January 23rd, 2014, 1:01 am

^ ^ ^ If you want to do it properly, you have to buy an Evo 4 "back half".
Then do this... Link--> 98 Lancer to Evo 6.5 TME Project.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kav747 » February 3rd, 2014, 5:53 am

Sanctifier is correct about torque steer. I have converted my CS3 to CS5 brakes drivetrain and suspension upgrades to work with the CK GSR FWD 4G93T and I get it when I try to launch my car. And my car is stock no upgrades yet. But a Mivec gearbox can be mated to a 4G63T with mods of course and if you can find one the eclipse gearbox 96-99 is the correct fit for FWD.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kjaglal76v2 » November 27th, 2014, 5:45 pm

bump for info

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby kjaglal76v2 » May 14th, 2015, 9:42 pm

would the cm2a rear floor pan need to be adjusted for the cn9a swap?

or wud d cn9a rear suspension fit right in?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Sanctifier » May 29th, 2015, 8:59 am

kjaglal76v2 wrote:would the cm2a rear floor pan need to be adjusted for the cn9a swap?...
or wud d cn9a rear suspension fit right in?
IIRC (long time ago :lol: ) the CM2A is similar to the 4wd CM5A 1800 GSR chassis.
If so, the E4 (CN9A) parts will bolt in... but you MUST use the Evo's upper brackets to carry the E4's upper control arms.
I know that the stock CM5A rear chassis even had the req'd holes already drilled & tapped for the E4 brackets.
I don't know if the CM2A is the same.

If you can't get E4 bits then the CM2A 4wd diff & rear suspension is good enough for a 4G93T... or even a 4G63T;
since it is physically identical to the 4wd GSR (CM5A)... N.B. The "gearing" will be different, so check first!
Sanctifier wrote:N.B. You MUST use a matching pair of "Transfer Case" and "Rear Diff" (both from the same car) to avoid problems with mismatched gearing and other serious issues. CM5A gearing will work with a 4G93T or even a 4G63T... I don't know about CM2A gearing.

Also, please UPGRADE your brakes!
Even the stock CM5A, 4wd GSR didn't have enough brakes for the 4G93T IMHO... Been there... done that! :roll:

If going for a full 4wd swap, use Evo 4 brakes (ft & rr) + E4 Master cylinder.
Better yet... Go Brembos + matching Master cylinder + 17" Evo rims if you can afford it.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby joshtack » August 22nd, 2017, 2:57 pm

hello tuners, i have a question
i have a stock ck4 97 with an automatic transmission, im thinking to convert it to an evo 4, i found this 4g63t halfcut on this link
https://fjb.kaskus.co.id/product/568acc ... ft-6a13tt/
is it possible to do that? i've read some advice here
since the stock ck4 engine is fwd, and the 4g63t is awd, besides the engine, what other things should i buy?

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby Morpheus » August 25th, 2017, 11:11 am

The transmission is FWD not the engine.

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby new-project » September 15th, 2019, 12:59 am

good day everyone i need some help as i do not know much about cars .. i have a ck2 with a mivec engine and wanted to know if i can use that engine to turn the car into a evo ... or do i need to change the engine??

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Re: Conversion on a CK4 lancer?

Postby new-project » September 15th, 2019, 1:03 am

also my car is idling on 2 and it dosent sound right..

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