let meh tease nigell1977 and the sound q gurus a lil bit

[SR]

ULTIMATE series TA2 is a HiFi two-channel amplifier with 2 x 100 Watts output power. This is an extremely well-sounding amplifier for car use. We did not compromize in any section of the construction when we designed the electronic circuits. The TA2 is using the very best components in all sections of the amplifier, from the input circuitry, through the whole amplifier to the final output stage. Two pieces of CV4010 pentodes is used in the signal path. These tubes are made by VALVE Electronics in England during 1982 - 1984. The Valve Electronics company produced best sounding tubes in the tube industry before they closed. The tubes are spare parts for military equipment so they fulfil military specifications. We use silver wire Capacitors in signal path and power supply for a focused sound image. Special designed DLS Audio capacitors in key points and WIMA polypropylene capacitors. Four pieces of 4700 uF on each channel for a deep and wide sound stage. Dual mono power system design plus separate power supply for tube and pre-amp stage for clear sound reproduction.


RMS output per channel at 13,8 volts, 20 Hz - 20 kHz , < 0,1% distortion.
Mode : AB
Number of channels : 2
Output power in 4 ohm : 2 x 100 watt
Output power in 2 ohm : 2 x 200 Watt
Frequency response : 10 Hz - 50 kHz
THD at 1 W : < 0,04%
S / N ratio, A-weighted : > 102 dB
Damping factor : > 240
Input impedance : > 10 kohm
Input sensitivity, variable : 0,5 - 7 V
Filter, highpass, variable : 20 - 200 Hz, 12 dB slope
Double DC-inputs : Yes, one for each channel
Max cable size DC input : 16 mm2 (AWG5)
Max cable size speaker output : 16 mm2 (AWG5)
Current draw, idle : 1,5 A
Current draw, maximum : 40 A
Dimensions W x D x H : 410 x 240 x 73 mm (16,15 x 9,45 x 2,87 inch)
Weight : 6,2 kg ( 13,67 lb)

http://www.dls.se/english/index.htm



i eh even botherin to quote d price nah

[nigel1977]

son of ah biatch. pm meh de price nah.

[SR]

me pm box eh dat big nah

brings a tear to yuh eye when yuh see what tubes they using

[SR]

spoke to dls today and they said they hooked this amp up to a pair of homw speakers and they were like "WOW" to coin a local phrase

[nigel1977]

so wait, if the tubes were made 82-84..... where the hell dls getting them from now?

[SR]

apparanlty the stock was made between 82-84 and there is a large stock from that year as they were made fro military equipment

[nigel1977]

so you know what that means... LIMITED EDITION. then tubes run out. THATS IT.

ok, time to sell...
left kidney, right lung, 2 pinkey fingers,

[Sully]

If you sell your two pinky fingers, does that mean that you're only trying to make 8 as a max score now?

[adam_ant_tt]

$$?

[shazzz69]

hmm...

[cressida_override]

[2NR Smurf]

somebody educate a rookie nah...an explain wha all dat mean

[~snYper~]

^^
the amp uses vacuum tubes from England during 1982 - 1984.
It iz ah high quality component built amplifier.
It ha output power rated @ 4 ohm : 2 x 100 watt.

It soung reeeeel good when the testers hook it up....

[nigel1977]

LOOK EEET HEEEREEE MENG







now go an ask snyper to borrow some of his "tissues" to wipe off yuh droole

[~snYper~]

prolly the only amp from DLS that I liking and all we

[Chiney]

dls eh all that..

but damn !!

[SR]

dls eh all that..

but damn !!

hmm
yuh ever use them

[OffshoreMarketing]

why car audio will send me bankrupt

[Chiney]

dls eh all that..

but damn !!

hmm
yuh ever use them

ah wont even start that discussion

[SR]

Due to the design characteristics of tube amplifiers, they offer a distinct sound that is different than that produced by solid-state amplifiers. For example SET's have a very well-known pattern of distortion that produces what is known as a second harmonic distortion. Second harmonic distortion is musically equivalent to adding the same tone one octave higher, to form a chord. In this case the added tone is at a lower level (not as loud) but the effect is to "fatten" the sound. This second harmonic tends to be very pleasing to the human ear, thus making SETs extremely pleasant to listen to for long periods of time.
The tube amplifier is still a modern wonder with early 20th century technology, but its sheer sonic performance might just convince you that it has a place in the 21st Century home audio rig.

[SR]

Anyone who listens to phonograph records closely can tell that tubes sound different from transistors. Defining what this difference is, however, is a complex psychoacoustical problem. Any investigation of this admittedly subtle phenomenon must really begin with a few human observations. Some people try to point out and describe valid differences. Others just object to the entire thesis and resort to spouting opinions. It is the listener's job to sort out the facts from the fiction.

Electrical engineers, especially the ones who design recording equipment, can prove that there is no difference in tube or transistor sound. They do this by showing the latest specification sheets and quoting electronic figures which are visually quite impressive. It is true, according to the parameters being measured, that there is only a marginal difference in the signal quality. But are there some important parameters which are not being measured? One engineer who admits that there might be some marginal difference in the sound, says, "You just have to get used to the nice clean sound of transistors. What you've been listening to on tubes is a lot of distortion." Of course the question which comes to mind is: What is this distortion and how is it measured?

Psychoacoustically, musicians make more objective subjects than engineers. While their terms may not be expressed in standard units, the musician's "by ear" measuring technique seems quite valid. Consider the possibility that the ear's response may be quite different than an oscilloscope's.

"Tube records have more bass....The bass actually sounds an octave lower," says one rock guitarist. A couple of professional studio players have pointed out on numerous occasions that the middle range of tube recordings is very clear, each instrument has presence, even at very low playback levels. Transistor recordings tend to emphasize the sibilants and cymbals, especially at low levels. "Transistor recordings are very clean but they lack the 'air' of a good tube recording." "With tubes there is a space between the instruments even when they play loud...transistors make a lot of buzzing." Two people commented that transistors added a lot of musically unrelated harmonics or white noise, especially on attack transients. This same phenomenon was expressed by another person as a "shattered glass" sound that restricted the dynamics. It was generally agreed that tubes did not have this problem because they overload gently. Finally, according to one record producer, "Transistor records sound restricted like they're under a blanket. Tube records jump out of the speaker at you....Transistors have highs and lows but there is no punch to the sound."

[InDeForest]

Yall are heading down the wrong path here, you can say all this about pure tube circuits, particularly, tube power sections that feed the speakers via an impedence matching transformer, this single stage preamp tube stuck into a 99.5% transistor amplifier, is just marketing ploy, save your money and move along.

[cressida_override]

^^well that is interesting.......save ur money or spend

[shazzz69]

[whome]

Tubes have a place in solid state amplifiers especially ones that drive low impedances.
Call it whatever you will but "typical" tubes does sound different from "typical" transistor amps. They do sound fuller and warmer with more bass. Could be microphonics and second order distortion but it's not harsh unlike third order transistor distortion. A matter of taste here. Like different brands of ketchup.

BUT when you get to high end tubes and high end solid state. They begin to sound very very close. What that tells you is that the lesser equipment that sounds very different are both making peculiar distortions that give them that characteristic sound.

[nigel1977]

explains why pure tube amps have very high THD ratings vs transistor amps.

if I can have that warm, fuller, richer tube sound coming from a more dynamic, stable and efficient transistor amp, line me up with one.....



when i win the lotto or something i mean.

[whome]

Start by using turntable

[silent_riot]

whome, what's up, bro?

always a pleasure to read your posts

Using a turntable (of course not for car audio) has what advantage? Does it mean that there is less processing, like no dac etc on this media?
AND does a dac remove/morph certain sound characteristics as nigel mentioned above?

[nigel1977]

is the second order distortion that makes tube amps sound so pleasant to the ears, its magical the way the low mids just surround you.

turntables are purely analog.

if you pull out a properly recorded casette, lets say those maxell sa2, and play it on a casette player with a laser amphorous head, you'd de suprised at how warm it sounds, as compared to the same track off a cd. even the best 24bit dac, in the process of sampling, leaves out or chops off vital information from the waveform.

there are advantages in going digital, i agree, but analog still sounds better.

[SR]

listen to an electric guitar played thru a transistor amp and played thru a tube amp

that would be a good comparison